WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.140 new to this area. I grew up in rural Alberta, so in very 2 00:00:05.140 --> 00:00:07.640 similar kind of farm country type 3 00:00:07.640 --> 00:00:12.880 of land, but a lot less mountainous. I 4 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:18.980 had never considered going into politics. However, 5 00:00:19.840 --> 00:00:25.220 a lot of the issues that I saw in the community, it seemed like 6 00:00:25.220 --> 00:00:28.000 none of them were really being 7 00:00:28.074 --> 00:00:33.214 not none a lot of them weren't being recognized so we were talking and 8 00:00:33.214 --> 00:00:33.354 it 9 00:00:33.354 --> 00:00:39.274 felt like nobody was really listening and I think that that's basically 10 00:00:39.274 --> 00:00:39.754 the 11 00:00:39.754 --> 00:00:45.314 biggest driving factor in why I decided to run I don't know Dennis or John like 12 00:00:45.314 --> 00:00:48.934 I met Dennis for the first time last weekend and John for the first time 13 00:00:48.934 --> 00:00:54.034 today so I have nothing to like say about either one 14 00:00:54.034 --> 00:00:55.394 of them as far as their 15 00:00:56.149 --> 00:00:59.189 as people go, they seem both like great people. 16 00:00:59.729 --> 00:01:02.649 I just hope that you guys kind of decide 17 00:01:02.649 --> 00:01:05.709 based on what you think is the most important values for you. 18 00:01:08.329 --> 00:01:09.189 Thank you, Nicole. 19 00:01:10.229 --> 00:01:10.969 Thanks, Melanie. 20 00:01:13.629 --> 00:01:14.129 Oh, yeah, John. 21 00:01:14.349 --> 00:01:15.009 You were the guy. 22 00:01:16.769 --> 00:01:19.729 I said how this is when you're talking like beauty before age. 23 00:01:24.223 --> 00:01:26.943 I'm John Kojirushka. I'm not going to ask you to say my last name. 24 00:01:27.143 --> 00:01:28.723 It sounds like you're sneezing when you do. 25 00:01:29.063 --> 00:01:30.683 So we'll get that out of the way first. 26 00:01:31.883 --> 00:01:33.823 Cozy is what everyone I know calls me. 27 00:01:34.423 --> 00:01:35.883 It started with my hockey coach. 28 00:01:35.923 --> 00:01:41.003 I was a WHL kid and became very passionate about giving back to kids after that 29 00:01:41.003 --> 00:01:41.823 experience was over. 30 00:01:41.843 --> 00:01:44.943 So I started coaching both football and hockey. 31 00:01:45.483 --> 00:01:47.383 I wasn't going to get into politics. 32 00:01:47.943 --> 00:01:50.163 It was actually the furthest thing from my mind. 33 00:01:50.383 --> 00:01:52.223 Go figure some long-haired guitar player. 34 00:01:52.298 --> 00:01:57.378 guy getting into politics. I'm still wrapping my head around it, but I had a lot of people 35 00:01:57.378 --> 00:02:02.218 back on the phone pushing me. Countless people showing up at the door saying, you should 36 00:02:02.218 --> 00:02:06.718 do it. You should do it. No one's doing it. So quite literally, the day Dennis announced, 37 00:02:06.938 --> 00:02:11.978 I was getting my form signed. So Dennis and I were a few days apart, and here 38 00:02:11.978 --> 00:02:12.478 I am now. 39 00:02:13.298 --> 00:02:17.458 I don't like politicians. I have a big mouth, and because I'm a former hockey player, I 40 00:02:17.458 --> 00:02:20.198 have no problem picking a fight. Your turn. 41 00:02:23.312 --> 00:02:24.332 Well, thanks, John. 42 00:02:24.672 --> 00:02:25.272 You're welcome. 43 00:02:28.332 --> 00:02:29.232 My script. 44 00:02:31.152 --> 00:02:35.812 I have a lot of relevant experience to the job of being your Electoral Area Director. 45 00:02:36.732 --> 00:02:41.772 I've been a member of the Falkland and Area Community for 34 years, having bought 46 00:02:41.772 --> 00:02:43.712 our farm in 1992, 47 00:02:44.752 --> 00:02:48.372 following the birth of two more sons and the desire for us to raise some... 48 00:02:48.447 --> 00:02:53.567 in a rural community. Raised three boys there. It was a wonderful place to raise them and 49 00:02:53.567 --> 00:02:59.347 they all flourished and done well from being raised there. I 50 00:02:59.347 --> 00:03:00.607 raised a purebred sheep on 51 00:03:00.607 --> 00:03:06.607 my farm and sold breeding stock into the U .S. and other parts of Canada. I 52 00:03:06.607 --> 00:03:07.547 also had a home -based 53 00:03:07.547 --> 00:03:12.707 business manufacturing saddle pads on the machine I invented and I grew and sold 54 00:03:12.707 --> 00:03:13.607 pasture -raised 55 00:03:16.521 --> 00:03:22.401 involvement began with being on an advisory planning commission with the CSRD, later 56 00:03:22.401 --> 00:03:22.701 ending 57 00:03:22.701 --> 00:03:27.441 up with my becoming your electoral area director. Can you hear me okay in the back? 58 00:03:27.681 --> 00:03:29.001 Yeah, I can hear you next. 59 00:03:30.261 --> 00:03:35.661 The job earned me becoming the CSRD's chair in my third year of the term, becoming 60 00:03:35.661 --> 00:03:36.841 a director 61 00:03:36.841 --> 00:03:41.941 on the Fraser Basin Council, and a representative of this community on the Okanagan 62 00:03:41.941 --> 00:03:42.681 Shoestock 63 00:03:42.681 --> 00:03:44.381 Land and Resource Management. 64 00:03:44.596 --> 00:03:51.396 planning process which is a three -year exercise and ended up sending 65 00:03:51.396 --> 00:03:52.436 a report 66 00:03:52.436 --> 00:03:57.696 that was accepted by cabinet on the multi -use 67 00:03:57.696 --> 00:03:59.376 of the crown land that 68 00:03:59.376 --> 00:04:04.396 surrounds us here. I became involved in the 69 00:04:04.396 --> 00:04:06.056 Salmon River Watershed Roundtable in 70 00:04:06.056 --> 00:04:11.436 1995 when the federal Fraser River Action Plan sought to establish 71 00:04:11.436 --> 00:04:11.636 a 72 00:04:11.636 --> 00:04:12.516 community-led sustainable 73 00:04:12.670 --> 00:04:17.970 Initiative for the Severn River Watershed. That involvement 74 00:04:17.970 --> 00:04:20.190 led me to becoming its chair 75 00:04:20.190 --> 00:04:25.290 at one point and I helped oversee a lot of riparian restoration work done aimed at improving 76 00:04:25.970 --> 00:04:31.690 the health of the river. Just a little anecdote about that. Back then, when 77 00:04:31.690 --> 00:04:32.430 my babies were 78 00:04:32.430 --> 00:04:37.710 having their afternoon nap, I was down at the bridge sitting on the 79 00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:38.370 edge of the river 80 00:04:38.370 --> 00:04:40.450 because the river runs through my property. 81 00:04:41.545 --> 00:04:46.325 And I saw a kid across the fence watching me and I said, come here, have a look at this. 82 00:04:46.645 --> 00:04:51.165 He came over and we sat there and watched the school of suckers working their way down the street. 83 00:04:52.985 --> 00:04:58.005 The kid I met was Troy Ricard, which is the Falken 84 00:04:58.005 --> 00:04:59.185 Fire Chief. 85 00:05:04.605 --> 00:05:08.745 My involvement also brought me an invitation to join the board of the BC Agricole. 86 00:05:08.819 --> 00:05:14.199 Council, which is a producer -led organization that speaks to the province 87 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:15.219 on policy matters. 88 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:21.039 So it's a pressure group and a lobby organization. 89 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.039 So that was kind of a bit of an introduction 90 00:05:23.039 --> 00:05:28.239 to one aspect of politics, talking to the province about 91 00:05:28.239 --> 00:05:31.999 what producers want. On it 92 00:05:31.999 --> 00:05:36.639 I represented the interests of small lot farms which are farms 93 00:05:36.894 --> 00:05:41.214 where whatever they grow isn't their primary source of income. 94 00:05:41.714 --> 00:05:46.934 I represented the organic sector at the invitation of the Certified Organic Associations 95 00:05:46.934 --> 00:05:47.454 of BC, 96 00:05:47.814 --> 00:05:53.034 and I represented the First Nations agricultural interests on 97 00:05:53.034 --> 00:05:53.774 that as well. 98 00:05:54.914 --> 00:05:58.734 This led me to being a director of the Investment Agriculture Foundation, 99 00:05:59.034 --> 00:06:04.114 a non -government organization given the authority to consider and approve 100 00:06:04.114 --> 00:06:04.894 funding applications 101 00:06:04.968 --> 00:06:09.868 for worthy projects, some of which were substantial, well over a million dollars. 102 00:06:10.048 --> 00:06:15.088 I was reviewing and approving projects that were worth well 103 00:06:15.088 --> 00:06:16.488 over a million dollars aimed 104 00:06:16.488 --> 00:06:20.628 at agricultural activities in this province. 105 00:06:21.808 --> 00:06:25.488 Following that, I became a director on the Farm Industry Review Board. 106 00:06:25.488 --> 00:06:30.688 If there's any poultry, commercial poultry producers or chicken producers 107 00:06:30.688 --> 00:06:32.708 or dairy producers 108 00:06:33.043 --> 00:06:38.463 room you'll know what BCFIRB is. It's another organization 109 00:06:38.463 --> 00:06:40.663 separated from government but 110 00:06:40.663 --> 00:06:45.843 responsible for overseeing supply managed and regulated commodities in the province. 111 00:06:46.363 --> 00:06:51.223 In that role I also held hearings and was a decision maker on contested matters 112 00:06:52.163 --> 00:06:54.763 and my written decisions were written in legal format. 113 00:06:56.323 --> 00:07:01.043 Right now I chair a regional agricultural advisory committee for the North Pole. 114 00:07:01.957 --> 00:07:04.137 I've been doing that for about 5-6 years. 115 00:07:04.877 --> 00:07:10.177 And the reason they picked me to do that is because I'm not a North resident, so 116 00:07:10.177 --> 00:07:11.537 I'm unbiased and neutral. 117 00:07:13.317 --> 00:07:17.817 The current drought situation has raised a lot of concerns and unhappy outcomes, 118 00:07:18.157 --> 00:07:23.357 as well as interest in finding ways to store water so that both fish and farmers can 119 00:07:23.357 --> 00:07:24.397 meet their water needs. 120 00:07:25.217 --> 00:07:28.317 I can help with that. I too am a licensed water user. 121 00:07:29.192 --> 00:07:34.252 the academic background experience and training to contribute to that initiative. I 122 00:07:34.252 --> 00:07:35.232 gave a flash drive 123 00:07:37.392 --> 00:07:42.672 to Trudy today that contains probably about well 124 00:07:42.672 --> 00:07:44.272 a whole whack of files from 125 00:07:44.272 --> 00:07:48.752 stepping back from when I was with the round table and doing a lot of writing for them. 126 00:07:50.152 --> 00:07:55.232 My extended support involvement also gave me the experience to make a solid contribution as your 127 00:07:55.232 --> 00:07:56.372 electrolary objector. 128 00:07:57.266 --> 00:08:02.466 as a member of the CSRD board. When I was your electoral area 129 00:08:02.466 --> 00:08:03.586 director in the past, 130 00:08:03.866 --> 00:08:09.046 I took a professional approach to the job and I had the CSRD establish its very first 131 00:08:09.046 --> 00:08:09.526 website 132 00:08:09.526 --> 00:08:14.546 and start providing a corporate annual report to the public. That was the first. 133 00:08:16.246 --> 00:08:21.626 I also wrote annual reports to my constituents that had several opportunities to address 134 00:08:21.626 --> 00:08:25.266 in the interest of me. So here's an example of an annual report. 135 00:08:25.341 --> 00:08:30.881 report that I wrote to the constituents way back when your 136 00:08:30.881 --> 00:08:32.181 children weren't even born here. 137 00:08:35.781 --> 00:08:41.041 Other examples include I tried to establish an ambulance service in Falkland. There's 138 00:08:41.041 --> 00:08:41.181 some 139 00:08:41.181 --> 00:08:46.341 correspondence that I wrote to the PC ambulance people about that, 140 00:08:46.461 --> 00:08:47.481 trying to get an ambulance 141 00:08:47.481 --> 00:08:52.541 service in Falkland, and setting up a rationale. And I 142 00:08:52.541 --> 00:08:53.341 include surrealists. 143 00:08:53.415 --> 00:08:58.555 of the income site in Franklin to where it is now, and 144 00:08:58.555 --> 00:09:01.015 I supported lots of grant and aid requests. 145 00:09:01.415 --> 00:09:06.195 That was kind of the everyday part of the job, and it sounds like it's in trouble now, isn't it? 146 00:09:09.455 --> 00:09:14.535 Anyway, look, with all that's going on, this isn't the job, I think, for 147 00:09:14.535 --> 00:09:14.975 a beginner. 148 00:09:15.915 --> 00:09:20.635 I have the background, training, experience, and skill to jump right in. 149 00:09:21.490 --> 00:09:26.710 do the job. If you're willing to, let me do it. So thank 150 00:09:26.710 --> 00:09:29.050 you very much for your attention 151 00:09:29.050 --> 00:09:29.570 to this. 152 00:09:36.050 --> 00:09:41.210 Okay, great. Thanks everyone. Awesome. So I'm going to start with 153 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:42.170 the names on the list 154 00:09:42.170 --> 00:09:47.250 asking questions. So first name on the list, you're welcome to ask your question from 155 00:09:47.250 --> 00:09:47.410 your 156 00:09:47.410 --> 00:09:48.650 seat or go up to the podium. 157 00:09:49.564 --> 00:09:50.544 Tom Marshall. 158 00:09:53.484 --> 00:09:54.424 Hi, Tom. 159 00:10:00.824 --> 00:10:05.904 So I intend to ask the candidates a question about Mallory 160 00:10:05.904 --> 00:10:06.224 Ridge, 161 00:10:06.244 --> 00:10:10.784 and I suspect that that's not a familiar word to you or a vocation. 162 00:10:11.184 --> 00:10:16.384 Mallory Ridge is a parcel of proud land south of Gardner Lake. 163 00:10:16.384 --> 00:10:17.464 Gardner Lake is in. 164 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:22.939 Deep Creek. So the Mallory Bridge Community 165 00:10:22.939 --> 00:10:28.579 Trails Society and the Garden Lake Stewardship Society have been advocating 166 00:10:28.579 --> 00:10:34.239 for many, many years, and all our supporters have been advocating for many years, for 167 00:10:34.239 --> 00:10:39.259 the CSRD to make that piece of, that parcel of ground land a 168 00:10:39.259 --> 00:10:40.439 conservation park. 169 00:10:43.179 --> 00:10:45.639 There's a, it's an area that's... 170 00:10:45.713 --> 00:10:50.833 used for recreation now there are trails all through it it's also 171 00:10:50.833 --> 00:10:52.733 important because it contains 172 00:10:53.593 --> 00:10:58.913 a large part of the watershed for garden lake and garden lake is a heavily 173 00:10:58.913 --> 00:11:00.293 used recreational lake 174 00:11:01.233 --> 00:11:06.313 for fishing and especially for all kinds of self -propelled watercraft 175 00:11:07.713 --> 00:11:08.473 so 176 00:11:10.733 --> 00:11:13.613 the other the other reason it's important is 177 00:11:13.788 --> 00:11:17.188 that there are a number of unique ecosystems out there. 178 00:11:17.528 --> 00:11:21.488 So we think it's worthy of becoming a CSRD park, 179 00:11:21.628 --> 00:11:24.288 especially for the recreational park. 180 00:11:25.368 --> 00:11:28.988 And there is a little bit of information out there that's incorrect. 181 00:11:30.428 --> 00:11:33.548 We want you to note that the proposed park 182 00:11:33.548 --> 00:11:38.008 is not exposed to any kind of logging concern or threat. 183 00:11:39.268 --> 00:11:41.788 So some information is suggested. 184 00:11:41.862 --> 00:11:45.842 that, you know, we are a threat to my law, and we're not at this point. 185 00:11:46.462 --> 00:11:51.622 So the question I have for the candidates, we would like you, each candidate, to 186 00:11:51.622 --> 00:11:52.062 discuss 187 00:11:52.062 --> 00:11:57.382 where you stand on this issue, and how you would proceed at the CSRD board level 188 00:11:57.382 --> 00:11:57.882 and 189 00:11:57.882 --> 00:12:00.502 beyond to make this conservation part happen. 190 00:12:02.242 --> 00:12:04.002 Why am I upset to go first? 191 00:12:05.802 --> 00:12:07.502 Ladies first, that's the right way. 192 00:12:09.937 --> 00:12:15.257 Um, well, as you said, I was actually very unfamiliar with Mallory 193 00:12:15.257 --> 00:12:20.377 Ridge and the Garden Lake area until I got some more information about it 194 00:12:20.377 --> 00:12:20.857 recently. 195 00:12:21.777 --> 00:12:27.197 Um, there is access 196 00:12:27.197 --> 00:12:32.937 to funding that used to be used for 197 00:12:32.937 --> 00:12:37.617 non -profits. Okay, this is a long story. Anyways, I'm going to get into it later. 198 00:12:38.011 --> 00:12:39.751 This is going to come up, I'm sure. 199 00:12:40.171 --> 00:12:46.051 So, I want Mallory Ridge to remain protected, 200 00:12:46.051 --> 00:12:51.151 and in order to do that, as the local area 201 00:12:51.151 --> 00:12:56.671 director, I cannot protect it as a conservation 202 00:12:56.671 --> 00:12:57.411 park. 203 00:12:57.751 --> 00:13:02.871 However, you could turn it into a self -propelled recreation site. 204 00:13:02.871 --> 00:13:05.031 So, only for walking. 205 00:13:06.086 --> 00:13:12.886 you know, biking maybe, as 206 00:13:12.886 --> 00:13:16.706 you said earlier, self -propelled watercraft, that type of stuff 207 00:13:16.706 --> 00:13:21.826 in that area. And actually, I think it'd be a really great resource to educate 208 00:13:21.826 --> 00:13:22.466 people 209 00:13:22.466 --> 00:13:27.626 too, like visitors, as to why it's really important. The 210 00:13:27.626 --> 00:13:29.726 vital diversity of the area, 211 00:13:29.986 --> 00:13:34.086 the wetlands restoration that's going on. I think if more people... 212 00:13:34.161 --> 00:13:39.241 about the efforts that have been put in to kind of protect that area it 213 00:13:39.241 --> 00:13:39.361 would 214 00:13:39.361 --> 00:13:44.801 become a bigger priority for more people and I think if it's a bigger priority 215 00:13:44.801 --> 00:13:49.701 for more people it's a lot easier to convince the region that that's 216 00:13:49.701 --> 00:13:55.621 something that's really important so my goal would be to take 217 00:13:55.621 --> 00:13:57.001 that to the CSRD 218 00:13:57.001 --> 00:14:02.161 with these ideas of education use this as a place that people could go to learn 219 00:14:02.235 --> 00:14:07.555 more about the ecosystems like this is a great example of why this 220 00:14:07.555 --> 00:14:08.735 area is so special 221 00:14:11.615 --> 00:14:17.355 i'm done i don't know how to end that's the end of my plan i 222 00:14:17.355 --> 00:14:19.215 would advocate for saving 223 00:14:19.215 --> 00:14:24.375 this area i think it's really again with a lot of the stuff that i read 224 00:14:24.375 --> 00:14:30.155 in the documentation i didn't realize that it was such a biodiverse area so 225 00:14:30.310 --> 00:14:35.990 it's it looks amazing yeah 226 00:14:35.990 --> 00:14:39.410 i don't see why do you always get to go last we talked about this 227 00:14:39.410 --> 00:14:44.650 since the beauty before age yeah um yeah 228 00:14:44.650 --> 00:14:47.230 you know what i took a look at the uh information 229 00:14:47.230 --> 00:14:52.330 um that tom and eleanor had given to me and i was looking 230 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:53.750 at it pretty extensively and 231 00:14:53.750 --> 00:14:58.130 a project like that is important the reason i say it's important 232 00:14:58.384 --> 00:15:00.264 is because I raised my son here. 233 00:15:00.964 --> 00:15:02.344 My son's growing up. 234 00:15:02.544 --> 00:15:04.724 I want my grandchildren to grow up coming out here. 235 00:15:05.424 --> 00:15:07.584 Green spaces like that are important. 236 00:15:08.144 --> 00:15:10.304 And the more of that we lose, 237 00:15:11.224 --> 00:15:13.504 the less area D is area D. 238 00:15:13.864 --> 00:15:15.444 That's just the reality of it. 239 00:15:15.684 --> 00:15:17.124 If you look at all the other areas, 240 00:15:17.304 --> 00:15:18.864 nobody's got beauty like we do here. 241 00:15:19.484 --> 00:15:20.864 So a place like Mallory Bridge, 242 00:15:20.884 --> 00:15:22.984 I would definitely get 150% off. 243 00:15:23.704 --> 00:15:25.444 The issue is it's still Crown West, 244 00:15:25.544 --> 00:15:26.224 which means it's provincial. 245 00:15:27.219 --> 00:15:32.219 So, the process would be, first off, bringing it to the CSRD, you 246 00:15:32.219 --> 00:15:33.039 escalate from there. 247 00:15:33.659 --> 00:15:37.099 And then you'd have to go and seek an audience with your MLA. 248 00:15:37.819 --> 00:15:42.899 And if the MLA's putting the pressure on and still not working, the next step would 249 00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:45.899 be seeking an audience at the UBCM, 250 00:15:46.939 --> 00:15:52.159 with the appropriate people in charge, but I can tell you that I would 150 % back 251 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.319 up and fight for that particular project. 252 00:15:54.533 --> 00:15:59.553 Because for kids, for the ecosystem, for residents, places like that are 253 00:15:59.553 --> 00:16:02.333 a world, and we should not be losing anything like that. 254 00:16:02.433 --> 00:16:03.253 End of conversation. 255 00:16:04.793 --> 00:16:05.533 I'm done. 256 00:16:07.713 --> 00:16:12.593 We're all on the same plane when it comes to supporting Mallory Ridge. 257 00:16:14.673 --> 00:16:20.253 I chatted with Dean Trumley, our previous Ecological Area Director, about this some 258 00:16:20.253 --> 00:16:20.693 time back. 259 00:16:21.153 --> 00:16:22.393 He endorsed me. 260 00:16:22.608 --> 00:16:28.108 endorses me for this job and I had a chance to hear about it and 261 00:16:28.108 --> 00:16:29.888 you know he 262 00:16:29.888 --> 00:16:34.508 said there the work is getting done that it needs to get finished making 263 00:16:34.508 --> 00:16:39.668 progress somebody has to carry it through and I met I was over at Marshall's 264 00:16:39.668 --> 00:16:45.388 place meeting with some folks from the Society yesterday and 265 00:16:45.388 --> 00:16:46.428 I got the same 266 00:16:46.428 --> 00:16:49.668 flash drive you guys got and looked through it 267 00:16:50.682 --> 00:16:56.542 I, too, am 100 % quiet. I've been to Garden Lake. I 268 00:16:56.542 --> 00:16:59.342 had friends in the past that lived on Garden Lake. 269 00:17:00.122 --> 00:17:05.262 I've not been up on Mallory Ridge to walk the trails or anything like that, but 270 00:17:05.262 --> 00:17:09.162 I appreciate the need for maintaining a watershed 271 00:17:09.502 --> 00:17:15.402 to properly maintain the health of a lake. I mean, I put a whole lot of years into watershed 272 00:17:15.402 --> 00:17:18.402 planning and restoration. 273 00:17:18.757 --> 00:17:21.177 and this sort of stuff, and it'd be no different there. 274 00:17:21.557 --> 00:17:25.117 I was on Garvin Lake once to see some of the work done, 275 00:17:25.277 --> 00:17:26.277 there's a little bit of the drainage 276 00:17:26.277 --> 00:17:28.097 that goes into the lake from the side. 277 00:17:29.357 --> 00:17:31.357 And I'm not sure who did the work, 278 00:17:31.457 --> 00:17:33.357 whether it was Lee Heska from Lake Wallace, 279 00:17:34.137 --> 00:17:35.937 but somebody did the work there 280 00:17:35.937 --> 00:17:42.657 to help establish a healthy plant 281 00:17:42.657 --> 00:17:44.757 regime there 282 00:17:46.831 --> 00:17:52.591 help improve the water quality and the flow into the lake. The 283 00:17:52.591 --> 00:17:56.591 lake doesn't have a lot of flow going into it, as I understand it. 284 00:17:56.871 --> 00:18:02.091 Apparently the lake gets a lot of usage, but the 285 00:18:02.091 --> 00:18:04.651 long and the short of it is, I'm with these guys. 286 00:18:04.951 --> 00:18:10.191 We're all 100 % behind making sure that Mallory 287 00:18:10.191 --> 00:18:11.671 Ridge is protected as a park. 288 00:18:14.906 --> 00:18:16.786 You're supposed to say you're dumb. 289 00:18:17.146 --> 00:18:17.726 Well, I'm done. 290 00:18:18.246 --> 00:18:18.966 Oh, awesome. 291 00:18:20.226 --> 00:18:21.106 Thank you. 292 00:18:23.166 --> 00:18:24.666 Okay, the next question. 293 00:18:26.546 --> 00:18:28.686 Ross Muncy, do you have a question? 294 00:18:32.526 --> 00:18:37.306 Well, one question I have is building permits. 295 00:18:38.106 --> 00:18:40.226 How do you both all stand on that? 296 00:18:41.626 --> 00:18:42.906 And what... 297 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.720 The other two, I didn't get much background on you, how you've been involved with the 298 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:56.020 community, in the past, what are you doing now, just 299 00:18:56.020 --> 00:18:57.960 find out more about it. 300 00:18:58.100 --> 00:18:58.720 That's fair. 301 00:18:59.500 --> 00:19:00.980 Do you want to go first this time? 302 00:19:01.840 --> 00:19:06.900 So in terms of the permits you're talking about, hell no. 303 00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:10.980 I would never, in a million years, seek to enforce the permits. 304 00:19:11.055 --> 00:19:13.355 permits on an area that doesn't want it. 305 00:19:13.695 --> 00:19:16.935 Bottom line is, the bulk of the people want to be left alone. 306 00:19:17.215 --> 00:19:18.615 Leave things as a status quo. 307 00:19:19.155 --> 00:19:20.215 I'm all for that. 308 00:19:20.955 --> 00:19:23.775 It's a very small percentage of people that I've spoken to that say, 309 00:19:23.875 --> 00:19:24.675 yeah, let's do it. 310 00:19:25.575 --> 00:19:27.075 But more people are saying no. 311 00:19:28.055 --> 00:19:29.715 In terms of your other question, 312 00:19:30.455 --> 00:19:35.575 I sat as president on the Falkland Museum Heritage Park board 313 00:19:35.575 --> 00:19:36.735 for two and a half years. 314 00:19:37.315 --> 00:19:39.055 I've donated time to the... 315 00:19:39.129 --> 00:19:42.929 Falkland ice rink. I'm one of the ice makers there. None of this is paid. 316 00:19:44.069 --> 00:19:46.729 I was also on the Haunting of Falkland board 317 00:19:46.729 --> 00:19:50.929 as the vice president. Does that give you a bit more background? 318 00:19:51.509 --> 00:19:52.869 I'm okay. I'll answer anything. 319 00:19:56.429 --> 00:19:58.969 Okay, cool. If there's anything more, flag me down. 320 00:19:59.069 --> 00:20:02.789 I'm happy to talk. Just be warned that when I start, I don't stop easily. 321 00:20:05.269 --> 00:20:06.049 Your turn now. 322 00:20:09.164 --> 00:20:14.644 Okay, so I've only lived here for four years and I'm also the primary caretaker 323 00:20:14.644 --> 00:20:20.184 for my daughter. So she's seven. I 324 00:20:20.184 --> 00:20:25.544 do volunteer and I do participate in a lot of community events, but 325 00:20:25.544 --> 00:20:31.384 I am not on any boards and I don't chair anything. I 326 00:20:31.384 --> 00:20:35.204 am a mom and I also do have... 327 00:20:35.278 --> 00:20:40.618 some other qualifications so I started as a bookkeeper many 328 00:20:40.618 --> 00:20:41.818 many years ago and 329 00:20:41.818 --> 00:20:46.918 I am now the controller for a company I am very familiar 330 00:20:46.918 --> 00:20:48.498 with financials and 331 00:20:48.498 --> 00:20:54.518 looking at reports and creating reports and deciphering 332 00:20:54.518 --> 00:20:55.578 all the numbers that 333 00:20:55.578 --> 00:20:59.218 people like to throw in front of you and expect you to understand that is a very 334 00:20:59.218 --> 00:21:01.118 powerful skill of mine 335 00:21:03.353 --> 00:21:08.693 also am the treasurer for a non -profit society that none of you would ever have 336 00:21:08.693 --> 00:21:09.393 ever heard of 337 00:21:09.393 --> 00:21:15.013 but it exists and so i do have experience in board meetings and having um 338 00:21:15.013 --> 00:21:16.593 you know the 339 00:21:18.093 --> 00:21:23.313 the challenges let's say of running a not -for -profit where you're trying 340 00:21:23.313 --> 00:21:24.173 to accomplish 341 00:21:24.173 --> 00:21:29.713 a specific goal and it can be pretty difficult when 342 00:21:29.713 --> 00:21:31.353 you don't have access 343 00:21:31.427 --> 00:21:35.707 access to the things that you need. So those are things that I'm quite familiar with. 344 00:21:37.707 --> 00:21:42.207 Can you remind me what the first... Building permits. Thank you. Oh yeah, building permits. Boo! 345 00:21:42.767 --> 00:21:48.227 Okay, so we built... I live outside of Fall Flint, up 346 00:21:48.227 --> 00:21:53.407 Bowling Lake Road. We built an alternative building made out of hemp. 347 00:21:54.467 --> 00:21:59.347 And so if I was going to put building codes in, I really screwed myself over. 348 00:21:59.502 --> 00:22:03.922 in the long run, like I have no intention of doing that. And I know that there have 349 00:22:03.922 --> 00:22:09.122 been things that have been said because as I have said in the past, I am good 350 00:22:09.122 --> 00:22:09.822 at providing 351 00:22:09.822 --> 00:22:15.002 a sympathetic ear to somebody that has something that they want to tell me. 352 00:22:15.962 --> 00:22:17.022 So if somebody 353 00:22:17.022 --> 00:22:22.182 has come to me recently, many people have come to me recently, but if somebody has 354 00:22:22.182 --> 00:22:22.402 come 355 00:22:22.402 --> 00:22:27.502 to me and said, I think building codes are important and this is why I. 356 00:22:27.576 --> 00:22:32.616 can honestly tell you that I absolutely listened to exactly what they said, it 357 00:22:32.616 --> 00:22:33.136 doesn't mean 358 00:22:33.136 --> 00:22:38.176 that I want to put building quotes in. Just to clarify. 359 00:22:39.376 --> 00:22:42.276 Okay. You're done? Yep. I'm done. 360 00:22:42.636 --> 00:22:48.336 He said, you gotta say you're done. Yeah. You should start fishing. We 361 00:22:48.336 --> 00:22:50.156 moved here from 362 00:22:50.156 --> 00:22:55.476 Alberta and an acreage near Cochrane, so I made the foolish mistake of building 363 00:22:55.476 --> 00:22:55.576 a 364 00:22:55.651 --> 00:23:02.171 ranch on that property and then getting in trouble with the municipal 365 00:23:02.171 --> 00:23:05.471 district for not 366 00:23:05.471 --> 00:23:10.571 getting a permit. So I had to apply for a permit and retroactively get it approved. 367 00:23:11.711 --> 00:23:17.071 So when we moved to our farm in Falkland, I went to the regional district to 368 00:23:17.071 --> 00:23:17.971 see about getting a 369 00:23:17.971 --> 00:23:23.251 building permit so we don't issue them. Oh, okay. So I went home. 370 00:23:23.725 --> 00:23:30.585 Because I bought a bit of a wreck for a house, I phoned an appraiser, 371 00:23:30.805 --> 00:23:33.225 had him come out and tell me what the house needed. 372 00:23:33.785 --> 00:23:39.245 And that's what I made my renovations and improvements based on, is privately 373 00:23:39.245 --> 00:23:42.265 hiring essentially a building inspector. 374 00:23:44.325 --> 00:23:49.425 I remember going to a session in the Falken community, although in 375 00:23:49.425 --> 00:23:51.265 the regional district, trying to pose. 376 00:23:51.800 --> 00:23:56.920 building permits on the folks and there was 377 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:01.280 a ruckus don't get out get out of 378 00:24:01.280 --> 00:24:05.640 here you're not welcome sort of responsive I agree with him there's no 379 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:10.860 need for building permits there's a lot of it's 380 00:24:10.860 --> 00:24:12.140 just simply not needed what you 381 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:17.840 are what you must do or what you should do is follow the building code yes you 382 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:19.220 look at all the beautiful new houses 383 00:24:19.874 --> 00:24:24.354 and around Falkland and up and down this valley. They're all built according to the standard. 384 00:24:24.674 --> 00:24:29.674 Carpenters and contractors know how to build according to code. And I'm sure 385 00:24:29.674 --> 00:24:30.214 the mortgage 386 00:24:30.214 --> 00:24:35.254 lenders are going to have an expectation that if they're going 387 00:24:35.254 --> 00:24:36.974 to lend you the money for a mortgage 388 00:24:36.974 --> 00:24:41.754 they're going to expect you to build to code. But there's no need for the regional district 389 00:24:41.754 --> 00:24:46.994 to issue a building permit so there can be staged inspections along 390 00:24:46.994 --> 00:24:47.774 the way during the 391 00:24:47.949 --> 00:24:53.749 of progress so we're all together on that one none of us are 392 00:24:53.749 --> 00:24:57.289 in favor of the building permits 393 00:24:59.649 --> 00:25:02.709 thanks that's great because i've been sitting up there 394 00:25:02.709 --> 00:25:08.689 as we know okay awesome 395 00:25:08.689 --> 00:25:10.909 so next question pat hubner 396 00:25:10.909 --> 00:25:14.109 oh do you have a question wow uh 397 00:25:16.023 --> 00:25:20.543 not as important as some of the things that people would like to talk about, but one concern 398 00:25:20.543 --> 00:25:26.183 for me is just the safety of the road, the sound of the road, and I live a 399 00:25:26.183 --> 00:25:26.503 little bit 400 00:25:26.503 --> 00:25:32.303 farther than the fire hall from here, and I just really noticed the 401 00:25:32.303 --> 00:25:33.023 narrowness of the 402 00:25:33.023 --> 00:25:39.663 road, the lack of the shoulders, room, 403 00:25:39.983 --> 00:25:42.223 one for one, and the amount of traffic that comes 404 00:25:42.223 --> 00:25:43.883 through, including big semis. 405 00:25:44.098 --> 00:25:49.178 that sort of thing. I have 43 curves between me and the highway when you guys 406 00:25:49.178 --> 00:25:49.938 go home tonight. 407 00:25:50.158 --> 00:25:54.418 I'd like you to take a look at some of the steep cliffs that come off there on those 408 00:25:54.418 --> 00:25:59.598 curves, and especially between 2000 and 2500, you're on that side of the road. 409 00:25:59.778 --> 00:26:00.198 Then I'll 410 00:26:00.198 --> 00:26:04.178 show you my concern because I have a lot of family, and I think about everybody in the 411 00:26:04.178 --> 00:26:07.998 community having to drive that in the winter, and I think about the semis running through 412 00:26:07.998 --> 00:26:11.218 in the winter, and I just feel like it's an accident waiting to happen. 413 00:26:12.172 --> 00:26:17.492 So if anybody, if any of you can enlighten me on that and where I can go 414 00:26:17.492 --> 00:26:20.512 to start that concern. 415 00:26:22.332 --> 00:26:27.792 Well, as you know, it's the Ministry of Transportation that calls the shots on 416 00:26:27.792 --> 00:26:29.692 the state of that road. 417 00:26:30.632 --> 00:26:35.992 We can talk to them about, you know, smoothing out the shoulders or 418 00:26:35.992 --> 00:26:40.172 putting in speed bumps or putting up signs or whatever they can. 419 00:26:40.247 --> 00:26:45.907 do to try and make the roads safer. But 420 00:26:45.907 --> 00:26:49.427 I think it's going to be a very difficult thing 421 00:26:49.427 --> 00:26:54.507 for the CSRD board to push hard enough 422 00:26:54.507 --> 00:26:57.607 to have them change the road at all. 423 00:27:01.907 --> 00:27:07.027 I'll add something to what she just said. What I'd like to see 424 00:27:07.027 --> 00:27:08.147 is at the 425 00:27:08.322 --> 00:27:13.362 The intersection where we go to Armstrong, we're up to Yanky Flats, we need to do something there because somebody's going to 426 00:27:13.362 --> 00:27:14.942 hit and it's going to break away. 427 00:27:15.162 --> 00:27:20.222 And I brought it up to the Ministry of Transportation as well and slowed the speeds 428 00:27:20.222 --> 00:27:21.602 down on our road. 429 00:27:22.042 --> 00:27:27.102 We had two calves hit and killed at our place last year and 430 00:27:27.102 --> 00:27:30.482 it was pretty crazy. 431 00:27:31.622 --> 00:27:36.322 When they redid the road, we have a shoulder that drops off where the pond has. 432 00:27:36.396 --> 00:27:41.536 across my house and if you get too close to the side of that shoulder you have nowhere to go 433 00:27:41.536 --> 00:27:41.756 but 434 00:27:41.756 --> 00:27:47.756 end up on like there's it just drops off so i think some definitely 435 00:27:47.756 --> 00:27:49.516 slowing people down a bit 436 00:27:49.516 --> 00:27:54.656 for sure and um that intersection that pumpkin 437 00:27:54.656 --> 00:27:56.076 corner of their pre -pellet 438 00:27:56.876 --> 00:28:02.336 you're right trudi it wouldn't surprise me to learn that that that store 439 00:28:02.336 --> 00:28:03.736 on the corner of that 440 00:28:04.471 --> 00:28:08.471 It's actually an encroaching on the right-of-way, you know, and... 441 00:28:08.471 --> 00:28:13.511 It's not encroaching. It is built too close to the 442 00:28:13.511 --> 00:28:15.311 road, but it is on their own. 443 00:28:15.751 --> 00:28:20.291 So they're not encroaching. So, you're right. 444 00:28:20.451 --> 00:28:23.231 You're right. We go through that intersection a lot. 445 00:28:23.471 --> 00:28:28.431 And it's a scary one, and you've got to really, really slow down the watch 446 00:28:28.431 --> 00:28:31.651 because people stick their noses out with their vehicles. 447 00:28:32.545 --> 00:28:37.705 And, you know, just waiting for, to 448 00:28:37.705 --> 00:28:38.245 get mailed. 449 00:28:39.545 --> 00:28:43.565 Well, I think flashing lights, more signage, some traffic calming measures there. 450 00:28:45.645 --> 00:28:47.905 All of that needs to happen in a couple areas. 451 00:28:49.525 --> 00:28:50.625 You'll be next. 452 00:28:50.865 --> 00:28:52.565 Do you guys have anything to add to that? 453 00:28:52.565 --> 00:28:55.765 I think the big thing is the squeaky wheel gets the grease. 454 00:28:56.045 --> 00:28:59.765 And, you know, Ministry of Transportation might be in charge of all that. 455 00:29:00.620 --> 00:29:04.080 But the more of us that make noise, the more likely things are to change. 456 00:29:04.340 --> 00:29:07.840 And as a CSRD director, you get to be that voice. 457 00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:12.760 And the louder you start barking along with your voting base, the more you're going to start paying attention. 458 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:14.880 So it's definitely something that could be explored. 459 00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:17.820 Is it really something that can be changed by CSRD? 460 00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:19.760 But we can definitely bark. 461 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.060 So it's the starting point of ministry of transportation. 462 00:29:24.700 --> 00:29:26.060 Email, call them every day. 463 00:29:28.694 --> 00:29:33.374 thing is there's a lot of advertising signs going up on telephone poles and such which really aren't 464 00:29:33.374 --> 00:29:38.514 authorized for advertising and i think that's distracting when you're driving and not really 465 00:29:38.514 --> 00:29:43.634 sure why certain companies think it's okay to go no notice on the way home and pay 466 00:29:43.634 --> 00:29:44.054 attention 467 00:29:44.054 --> 00:29:48.474 there's it's just everywhere so i think on our own in particular it's just another thing 468 00:29:49.014 --> 00:29:52.794 you know that doesn't need to be there it's paid to be there or it's allowed to be there 469 00:29:52.794 --> 00:29:56.354 if it's private property you can ask for commission that's one thing 470 00:29:56.769 --> 00:30:01.889 I don't know if that, if pasting on the pole is regulated, but I 471 00:30:01.889 --> 00:30:06.249 do remember one of the things I did when I was, when I was electoral area director, 472 00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:11.769 is I got Shepard's hardware to put up some community bulletin boards on some of those intersections 473 00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:17.289 so that people could post on the bulletin boards rather than nail stuff onto the, um, 474 00:30:17.789 --> 00:30:22.809 Yeah, and actually, you know, I think that's fair enough, and, uh, you know, at 475 00:30:22.809 --> 00:30:24.389 that intersection where you're speaking of, 476 00:30:24.843 --> 00:30:29.843 there. There is quite a few people advertising the businesses there, and I think that's okay 477 00:30:29.843 --> 00:30:35.003 in a corner, a specific current corner that looks like a hub or something, right? I just 478 00:30:35.003 --> 00:30:39.883 think as you're going along the road for miles and miles and seeing signs, you know, up in 479 00:30:39.883 --> 00:30:44.223 the same company's advertising, and I just think if one person can do that, is everybody 480 00:30:44.223 --> 00:30:49.603 else? It's also interesting. I don't understand. I can't read those as 481 00:30:49.603 --> 00:30:51.123 I drive by at whatever 482 00:30:51.123 --> 00:30:52.843 60 kilometers per hour. 483 00:30:52.918 --> 00:30:57.038 However, I don't understand the purpose of putting the signs on the posts. 484 00:30:58.158 --> 00:31:03.318 It's just advertising and, you know, if you get enough time, people will eventually 485 00:31:03.318 --> 00:31:03.838 get a lot of it. 486 00:31:03.838 --> 00:31:04.798 I suppose that's true. 487 00:31:05.438 --> 00:31:09.198 I find the speed limit around here kind of wacky, to be honest. 488 00:31:09.418 --> 00:31:14.638 Like, through Silver Creekways, 50 kilometers, I'm like, that's a nice, comfortable 489 00:31:14.638 --> 00:31:15.638 speed to be driving. 490 00:31:15.898 --> 00:31:20.818 But a lot of these curves, where it says 80, I'm like, I don't know who's going 80 on these. 491 00:31:26.572 --> 00:31:32.132 Yeah, I was like, maybe, maybe it's because I'm from Alberta, so it's like, I 492 00:31:32.132 --> 00:31:37.272 don't know, I think it's, I do 493 00:31:37.272 --> 00:31:41.352 see a lot of people really flying through this area. 494 00:31:41.772 --> 00:31:45.292 Yeah, they do, and there are some issues around that, too, with the school zone. 495 00:31:45.952 --> 00:31:48.872 So, one thing, what is the number of international restrictions is, Mike. 496 00:32:01.207 --> 00:32:06.547 There are parts of the road though, I don't know where you would even put that on, it's just cliffside 497 00:32:06.547 --> 00:32:07.267 going up. 498 00:32:07.627 --> 00:32:08.807 There's a well in the way. 499 00:32:10.887 --> 00:32:16.167 But it is dangerous again because it is such a curvy road, it's just too much 500 00:32:16.167 --> 00:32:16.727 to maneuver. 501 00:32:17.141 --> 00:32:17.921 Agreed. 502 00:32:18.741 --> 00:32:21.701 So just wait and see if there's something we can do. 503 00:32:21.701 --> 00:32:22.321 It's worth addressing. 504 00:32:23.021 --> 00:32:24.421 I think we all agree on that. 505 00:32:26.461 --> 00:32:27.981 I can totally understand your concerns. 506 00:32:30.981 --> 00:32:31.761 Anything else to add? 507 00:32:33.781 --> 00:32:34.601 I forgot to say don't. 508 00:32:37.441 --> 00:32:42.541 While leaving after that question, Ashley actually has a question in here 509 00:32:42.541 --> 00:32:42.941 next. 510 00:32:43.481 --> 00:32:44.661 I'm going to speak to you. 511 00:32:47.356 --> 00:32:52.676 Can you read it? Introduce yourself. Thank you. I'm Ashley. I'm the PAC president at your school here. 512 00:32:53.296 --> 00:32:58.816 And since February, we've been advocating for traffic and pedestrian safety 513 00:32:58.816 --> 00:33:03.976 around Silver Creek Elementary on Sound River Road. The concern isn't just feeding. 514 00:33:04.256 --> 00:33:09.496 We have a school, community hall, local businesses, a bike path, kids and families regularly crossing 515 00:33:09.496 --> 00:33:13.216 and walking along the road. Traffic has also increased quite a bit. 516 00:33:13.290 --> 00:33:18.350 over the years. I've contacted the CSRD, the RCMP, the City of Salmon 517 00:33:18.350 --> 00:33:19.250 Arons, the School District, 518 00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:24.990 the Ministry of Transportation, and our Olympic representative. I've also met with MLA David 519 00:33:24.990 --> 00:33:30.210 Williams at the school. The school district has been supportive of looking at things like 520 00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:35.790 the school zone review, improved signage, a crosswalk, and flashing pedestrian 521 00:33:35.790 --> 00:33:36.410 beacons. 522 00:33:36.610 --> 00:33:41.090 And we finally got a response from the ministry saying their engineers are actually reviewing 523 00:33:41.865 --> 00:33:47.405 looking at traffic volume, speeds, pedestrian activity, signage, and overall conditions 524 00:33:47.405 --> 00:33:48.325 around the school. 525 00:33:48.605 --> 00:33:53.805 So just so you know, it's not a school's across the street and we're not classed in a school zone. 526 00:33:54.765 --> 00:33:58.305 So we have people going to meet, if not more. 527 00:34:00.365 --> 00:34:05.665 So, my concern is that we've spent months getting this issue to the point where it's actually 528 00:34:05.665 --> 00:34:06.485 being reviewed, 529 00:34:06.625 --> 00:34:09.365 and I don't want it to get lost or have to start all... 530 00:34:09.439 --> 00:34:14.219 over again because there are changes at the provincial level. So my question is for you. 531 00:34:14.459 --> 00:34:19.739 If you're elected as the area to be director, what role do you think the CSRD 532 00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:20.799 should play 533 00:34:20.799 --> 00:34:26.099 in helping our community move an issue like this forward when the road itself falls 534 00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:26.419 under 535 00:34:26.419 --> 00:34:31.439 provincial jurisdiction? And would you be willing to stay involved and help 536 00:34:31.439 --> 00:34:31.879 maintain 537 00:34:31.879 --> 00:34:37.119 those connections with the ministry and whoever represents us provincially so that the work 538 00:34:37.514 --> 00:34:40.854 been done doesn't just disappear in the summer. 539 00:34:41.634 --> 00:34:45.114 Want me to go first? Sure. Absolutely. 540 00:34:45.534 --> 00:34:49.554 100% behind you. And you know the same problem occurs in Falkland 541 00:34:49.554 --> 00:34:52.594 adjacent to the Falkland Elementary School too. 542 00:34:53.074 --> 00:34:57.814 It's the same problem. We have to control the speed. If that means speed bumps 543 00:34:57.814 --> 00:35:00.934 if that means posting 20 km per hour 544 00:35:01.654 --> 00:35:05.274 speed limit signs, putting up a sign that says 545 00:35:05.588 --> 00:35:10.928 and enforce whatever it takes to keep 546 00:35:10.928 --> 00:35:13.628 the level of safety for the kids around there, 547 00:35:13.728 --> 00:35:15.108 to keep the level of safety high. 548 00:35:15.888 --> 00:35:18.828 I mean, yeah, absolutely. 549 00:35:19.408 --> 00:35:20.428 We're behind that. 550 00:35:21.908 --> 00:35:27.048 I'd even be ballsy enough to say, you know what, give us a call every day at the office. 551 00:35:27.108 --> 00:35:28.108 Hey, have you guys heard anything? 552 00:35:28.308 --> 00:35:29.248 Hey, have you guys heard anything? 553 00:35:29.908 --> 00:35:33.448 If ever one of us is elected, he's going to be more than happy to answer that call. 554 00:35:33.663 --> 00:35:35.643 Every day, no, we have it, but we're working on it. 555 00:35:35.723 --> 00:35:36.963 No, we have it, but we're working on it. 556 00:35:37.023 --> 00:35:38.143 Hey, we finally got something. 557 00:35:41.223 --> 00:35:43.843 Pulling out of, you haven't, you don't have kids at our school, 558 00:35:44.023 --> 00:35:48.203 but pulling out of there, doesn't matter, winter, summer, 559 00:35:48.603 --> 00:35:49.883 the snowmakes are this high. 560 00:35:50.163 --> 00:35:52.003 We've had parents say, trying to get out. 561 00:35:53.423 --> 00:35:57.063 Because people are going 30, 50, there's only 80 plus. 562 00:35:59.003 --> 00:35:59.723 So, yeah. 563 00:36:00.063 --> 00:36:01.303 It sounds to me like that is different. 564 00:36:03.977 --> 00:36:09.837 so the mla was david um williams met with me and a couple other moms and 565 00:36:09.837 --> 00:36:11.297 he's like it's not 566 00:36:11.297 --> 00:36:17.097 the school zone i'm like no he's like well that's silly this is school well 567 00:36:17.097 --> 00:36:18.257 30 years ago they fought 568 00:36:18.257 --> 00:36:23.717 to what we have now so and we're still the same so that's 569 00:36:23.717 --> 00:36:25.477 what yeah so if you're trying to get 570 00:36:25.477 --> 00:36:29.137 things on the highway you're just going to send lots and lots and lots of emails i think 571 00:36:29.812 --> 00:36:34.852 It's really valid to be concerned that, you know, the 572 00:36:34.852 --> 00:36:40.192 government's going to change and all of a sudden all of this work that you've done is no longer, 573 00:36:40.192 --> 00:36:42.032 you know, priority. 574 00:36:42.572 --> 00:36:47.672 They got an email saying, okay, we'll get all these things in place, and then the government's like, oh, that's 575 00:36:47.672 --> 00:36:48.192 why we're changing. 576 00:36:48.392 --> 00:36:50.312 Yes, yes, I can see that. 577 00:36:50.532 --> 00:36:52.672 But I think, like, no matter what. 578 00:36:52.672 --> 00:36:56.732 So that's why I was like, so you guys know, whoever gets in, you're going to get an email from me. 579 00:36:57.886 --> 00:37:03.186 that's great that's great that's a serious issue like i would love to hear about 580 00:37:03.186 --> 00:37:04.506 it and again 581 00:37:04.506 --> 00:37:09.746 have somebody be like hey what have you heard about this yeah to keep it in the forefront 582 00:37:09.746 --> 00:37:15.106 yeah because you know that it's going to be crazy yeah and 583 00:37:15.106 --> 00:37:18.106 so it is it is often i think a lot of the 584 00:37:18.106 --> 00:37:23.586 times community members do need to kind of step up and be like hey hey this 585 00:37:23.586 --> 00:37:24.746 is important to us 586 00:37:24.746 --> 00:37:25.886 make sure that you're 587 00:37:25.961 --> 00:37:30.261 telling us or make sure that you're watching this make sure that you're advocating for this 588 00:37:30.261 --> 00:37:36.441 because we want this thing yeah and I really respect that we were doing this. They 589 00:37:36.441 --> 00:37:38.141 were like 590 00:37:38.141 --> 00:37:43.161 they got all this money into around this daycare and I'm like where's ours you are in 591 00:37:43.161 --> 00:37:43.961 the CSRD 592 00:37:45.201 --> 00:37:50.321 you don't get in so it was like okay well who do I 593 00:37:50.321 --> 00:37:53.761 send a new house to so that's where that started. 594 00:37:55.195 --> 00:37:58.735 The other thing you can do is talk to the Mountie. 595 00:37:59.615 --> 00:38:04.755 When I was down here, the time before last, sitting outside, the Mountie 596 00:38:04.755 --> 00:38:06.255 pulled up and was parked there for a while. 597 00:38:07.775 --> 00:38:10.115 And nothing went past him in a hurry. 598 00:38:10.755 --> 00:38:15.875 No. But if you're not going 30, you're 599 00:38:15.875 --> 00:38:19.235 going 50 or 80, your car's getting interrupted. 600 00:38:19.695 --> 00:38:22.035 Yeah, but the presence of a Mountie once in a while. 601 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:22.830 Yes, that too. 602 00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:24.450 Helps address the problem. 603 00:38:26.830 --> 00:38:27.850 We're in afterthought. 604 00:38:31.670 --> 00:38:32.490 Okay, great. 605 00:38:34.690 --> 00:38:37.270 Lauren Richards, Ranachero, you're next. 606 00:38:37.750 --> 00:38:42.190 Yeah, I want to broaden the view for a minute. 607 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:48.430 And I'm just asking what you identify as 608 00:38:48.430 --> 00:38:49.450 the top three. 609 00:38:51.524 --> 00:38:55.924 issues in the CSRD coming from climate change. 610 00:38:56.224 --> 00:38:58.424 I'm not asking what you would do about them. 611 00:38:58.564 --> 00:39:02.284 I just want to know what each of you thinks of as the top three issues. 612 00:39:03.604 --> 00:39:07.644 I mean, I think the first one is really obvious, which is the lack of water. 613 00:39:08.824 --> 00:39:10.524 I think that's a huge thing. 614 00:39:10.764 --> 00:39:12.384 And it's not just like new. 615 00:39:12.764 --> 00:39:17.324 This is like the past three years, maybe more than that, actually. 616 00:39:18.259 --> 00:39:23.619 In the last three years, like, BC has had to buy power 617 00:39:23.619 --> 00:39:28.699 from other places because there's not enough water here to make our own 618 00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:29.099 power. 619 00:39:29.419 --> 00:39:34.919 So everyone says, oh, BC's power is so clean. It is, it's beautiful, except 620 00:39:34.919 --> 00:39:36.039 we don't have enough of it. 621 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.559 So if we're not creating enough of our clean energy, then what's 622 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:43.559 the next alternative? 623 00:39:44.259 --> 00:39:46.259 I mean, for me, that's the main... 624 00:39:46.333 --> 00:39:51.153 The biggest issue is that we don't have enough water right now. 625 00:39:51.793 --> 00:39:54.333 Can you identify the top three? 626 00:39:54.673 --> 00:39:57.173 The top three. Oh, pressure. 627 00:39:59.393 --> 00:40:03.653 Top three. You're talking about climate change specifically. 628 00:40:04.693 --> 00:40:07.953 Wildfires. Easy. Another one. 629 00:40:08.253 --> 00:40:11.933 That's the reason that we built a hemp house. Because hemp doesn't burn. 630 00:40:12.213 --> 00:40:14.333 And so this was like a big thing for us. 631 00:40:14.408 --> 00:40:18.188 Like, we're going to move into this virus, we're going to build a house that's not going to burn. 632 00:40:18.628 --> 00:40:22.248 But there's so many people that don't have houses like that. 633 00:40:22.488 --> 00:40:26.208 And so, this is another, like, huge issue. 634 00:40:27.028 --> 00:40:31.648 And the third one, this is my personal feelings, it's not necessarily proven fact. 635 00:40:32.308 --> 00:40:35.728 Is the fact that we produce way too much waste. 636 00:40:38.088 --> 00:40:42.408 We produce way too much waste as people, and I think... 637 00:40:42.483 --> 00:40:47.683 I mean, okay, so if I was the president of the whole world, you 638 00:40:47.683 --> 00:40:52.763 know, companies would be regulated and they would only be allowed to put your food in one package, 639 00:40:52.783 --> 00:40:53.383 not four. 640 00:40:53.743 --> 00:40:54.563 You know, all of those things. 641 00:40:54.743 --> 00:40:59.823 So to me, that's like the third biggest thing is we produce too much waste and we don't have ways to deal 642 00:40:59.823 --> 00:41:00.243 with it. 643 00:41:02.383 --> 00:41:04.203 But there are ways to deal with it. 644 00:41:04.443 --> 00:41:06.103 There's ways to deal with some of it. 645 00:41:06.283 --> 00:41:09.123 With, yeah, 8% of it. 646 00:41:09.183 --> 00:41:10.483 What about soft plastic? 647 00:41:11.117 --> 00:41:16.317 Okay, I want to hear from each, and I don't really want, that's okay, I just, I don't, I 648 00:41:16.317 --> 00:41:21.397 think it's a complicated issue, and that's why I'm not asking you guys to tell me how you can deal with 649 00:41:21.397 --> 00:41:21.497 it. 650 00:41:21.577 --> 00:41:25.417 I just want to know what you're thinking of as the top three issues. 651 00:41:25.637 --> 00:41:30.877 I would share the drought thing. I would say the drought definitely causes it, but the 652 00:41:30.877 --> 00:41:32.997 trickle down from that would be the ecosystem damage. 653 00:41:33.217 --> 00:41:38.557 We're seeing animals moving because there's no water, so our ecosystem's failing, which means... 654 00:41:38.632 --> 00:41:44.052 but for hunters and people and as a result the waters are drying up so we're seeing introduction 655 00:41:44.052 --> 00:41:49.012 of new things like algae i'd say those are probably some of the three biggest key changes 656 00:41:49.012 --> 00:41:54.272 it's happening because of that change john very 657 00:41:54.272 --> 00:41:57.072 good thank you sir i can't add to that really 658 00:41:58.252 --> 00:42:03.572 i mean a big issue for me is community safety i come from a policing 659 00:42:03.572 --> 00:42:04.112 background 660 00:42:13.026 --> 00:42:18.326 I want to make sure we have the presence of our RCMP members 661 00:42:18.326 --> 00:42:23.826 around and that they're able to be there as community -based police personnel and 662 00:42:23.826 --> 00:42:29.426 mix with community rather just driving around in their cars and look out the windows and wait 663 00:42:29.426 --> 00:42:34.066 for the radio to call them, show up and have them, have them. 664 00:42:34.781 --> 00:42:37.141 I mean, I walked the beat when I was a young guy. 665 00:42:37.881 --> 00:42:43.581 It would be nice to see somebody kind of schmoozing around in the neighborhood if 666 00:42:43.581 --> 00:42:43.981 he can. 667 00:42:44.241 --> 00:42:49.081 So that's something that is personally important to me. 668 00:42:49.661 --> 00:42:53.421 And the other one is watershed stuff, obviously. 669 00:42:54.021 --> 00:42:56.101 You know, the drought is a concern. 670 00:42:56.321 --> 00:43:01.961 I've worked for a long time on watershed -oriented issues. 671 00:43:04.075 --> 00:43:08.335 Today I can watch my sheep watch across the river and not get their feet wet, they just 672 00:43:08.335 --> 00:43:09.595 go from stone to stone. 673 00:43:10.815 --> 00:43:16.975 The river is too low, it needs, water needs a lot of help, the 674 00:43:16.975 --> 00:43:18.175 river needs a lot of help, 675 00:43:18.395 --> 00:43:20.775 both for the fish and for the farmers. 676 00:43:21.455 --> 00:43:22.675 So that's an issue for me. 677 00:43:22.995 --> 00:43:28.755 To what extent the CSRD could influence that, I'm not absolutely sure, because 678 00:43:28.755 --> 00:43:30.555 the water 679 00:43:30.930 --> 00:43:34.890 our provincial and federal shared responsibility. 680 00:43:35.250 --> 00:43:41.510 The local government can only try to nudge to 681 00:43:41.510 --> 00:43:42.550 address it. 682 00:43:44.090 --> 00:43:46.070 You want me to think of a third one, though. 683 00:43:50.490 --> 00:43:52.930 I don't know. Road safety. 684 00:43:53.290 --> 00:43:54.930 Road safety. I mean, I... 685 00:43:55.690 --> 00:43:58.450 I see... I go back and forth a lot. 686 00:43:59.004 --> 00:44:04.524 roadkill here on the highway and there needs to be better better 687 00:44:04.524 --> 00:44:08.064 warnings for wildlife around, 688 00:44:08.204 --> 00:44:14.104 wildlife crossing, so that fewer fewer animals get 689 00:44:14.104 --> 00:44:17.924 run over. Probably once a month I see a deer in 690 00:44:17.924 --> 00:44:24.264 sightage and the crows on it. That shouldn't be. There 691 00:44:24.264 --> 00:44:27.004 should be better signage so that more people 692 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.299 that there's lots of wildlife around. 693 00:44:32.139 --> 00:44:37.519 What the CSRD can do about that is encourage the Ministry of Transportation to 694 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.079 put up warning signs to protect the wildlife. 695 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:42.999 Thank you. 696 00:44:43.219 --> 00:44:44.279 Thank you. 697 00:44:46.219 --> 00:44:48.579 Okay, we've got Pat Peebles. 698 00:44:49.139 --> 00:44:49.899 Oh boy. 699 00:44:49.999 --> 00:44:50.979 Pat, do you have a question? 700 00:44:51.359 --> 00:44:52.039 I do. 701 00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:53.999 And an introduction. 702 00:44:55.153 --> 00:45:00.233 I'm probably either your worst nightmare, whoever it is that 703 00:45:00.233 --> 00:45:03.793 is the winner of this, or your best friend. 704 00:45:04.233 --> 00:45:06.673 My nickname is Aaron Brockovich. 705 00:45:07.093 --> 00:45:12.233 And so my new thing that has just been 706 00:45:12.233 --> 00:45:17.413 put on my table is to get the RCMP office that's 707 00:45:17.413 --> 00:45:18.073 in Falkland 708 00:45:19.393 --> 00:45:22.133 recommissioned as an actual police station. 709 00:45:23.228 --> 00:45:27.568 and take it away from the highlands department and a coffee house that it is now. 710 00:45:27.828 --> 00:45:29.568 It's a complete waste of a resource. 711 00:45:30.488 --> 00:45:34.088 So that would solve a lot of your problems. 712 00:45:34.348 --> 00:45:39.828 Because knowing my husband is a retired county, almost 80, I'm 75, so 713 00:45:39.828 --> 00:45:40.928 cut me some slack. 714 00:45:41.188 --> 00:45:44.068 My nickname is Grandma when it's not airy. 715 00:45:44.388 --> 00:45:48.688 So I would say to you, it's a stats thing. 716 00:45:49.228 --> 00:45:51.108 Phone the RCMP, beep. 717 00:45:51.302 --> 00:45:56.362 them to death. It goes into a computer loop that feeds into the Kelowna base, 718 00:45:56.602 --> 00:45:57.402 that your 719 00:45:57.402 --> 00:46:02.342 school isn't, there's nearly catastrophes, kids are getting killed, set them up, you 720 00:46:02.342 --> 00:46:07.422 know, like just make it happen, send videos, and I am going to start this 721 00:46:07.422 --> 00:46:09.082 in between all 722 00:46:09.082 --> 00:46:14.562 the other things I've got going, um, to reach the provincial document. 723 00:46:14.862 --> 00:46:16.122 It's not the feds, 724 00:46:16.122 --> 00:46:19.302 it's a funding issue to get that, but they did. 725 00:46:19.377 --> 00:46:23.737 commissioned at quite a number of years back and by taking Mounties, I mean they 726 00:46:23.737 --> 00:46:29.157 go all the way now to Kamloops and the closest detachment is Armstrong. Are 727 00:46:29.157 --> 00:46:29.337 you 728 00:46:29.337 --> 00:46:33.917 kidding me? Look at the subdivision that has happened in Falkland. It's huge. We 729 00:46:33.917 --> 00:46:39.097 have grown. So we need a police station near us and we need members 730 00:46:39.097 --> 00:46:40.037 that we know 731 00:46:40.037 --> 00:46:44.157 their name. That they care about our community and come to meet you at your 732 00:46:44.157 --> 00:46:47.257 school and then they would definitely put because it's 733 00:46:47.451 --> 00:46:50.591 through their enforcement, that high-risk department 734 00:46:50.591 --> 00:46:53.771 would put that sign up, the school's own sign. 735 00:46:54.011 --> 00:46:55.011 That's the protocol. 736 00:46:55.331 --> 00:46:58.651 It isn't these guys, but they can support us. 737 00:46:58.871 --> 00:47:01.771 Now I have to say, Dean Trombley, 738 00:47:01.771 --> 00:47:07.071 we started our family, started the Area Deep Fire Society, 739 00:47:07.451 --> 00:47:12.851 which is a community -based people putting 740 00:47:12.851 --> 00:47:13.631 out fires 741 00:47:14.351 --> 00:47:15.451 ahead of wild fires. 742 00:47:15.526 --> 00:47:21.066 DC wildfires are ending because we're the ones that get up at 11 o 'clock for a pee and 743 00:47:21.066 --> 00:47:26.166 see the orange glow and we're out there or the lightning strikes we go out in our 744 00:47:26.166 --> 00:47:31.266 jammies and look to see where that hit. So we are the first responders 745 00:47:31.266 --> 00:47:37.066 as neighbors and Ross Muncie honestly has stated this whole you don't know how 746 00:47:37.066 --> 00:47:42.106 you didn't burn it as a Ross. Right? So we collectively have 747 00:47:42.106 --> 00:47:43.526 created a society now we're 748 00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:48.580 CSRD came in on this, is Dean was very supportive in finding us funding. 749 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.860 We're still poor, and we need more, because we don't have this vest, and we don't have... 750 00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:58.380 So what I want from these guys, or the winner here, is the support. 751 00:47:58.680 --> 00:48:03.800 And I want them to know that I am your worst nightmare, because I'm a squeaky 752 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:04.240 wheel, and 753 00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:07.100 I don't stop until I get what's right and done. 754 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.600 And so you either like me, or you adversarial like... 755 00:48:11.675 --> 00:48:17.955 Oh my God, it's hurting. So just forewarn his forearm. Okay? 756 00:48:18.415 --> 00:48:23.515 And so here's the thing, what I'd like to say to you is, how 757 00:48:23.515 --> 00:48:28.895 would you receive Aaron Brockovich in your constituent? Answer 758 00:48:28.895 --> 00:48:29.235 that. 759 00:48:30.315 --> 00:48:35.335 I'll start that. I like y 'all ready. You seem like a scrapper, so we're going to get 760 00:48:35.335 --> 00:48:35.615 along. 761 00:48:36.295 --> 00:48:39.675 Well, you know, I can work for you, too, in the sense that... 762 00:48:39.749 --> 00:48:44.849 you know your problems and you can phone Aaron and say listen if you could rally the troops 763 00:48:44.849 --> 00:48:45.189 here 764 00:48:45.189 --> 00:48:50.169 we could get this done because listening to everybody's things these are all real 765 00:48:50.169 --> 00:48:55.349 fire is a huge issue for us water is a huger issue for the livestock and 766 00:48:55.349 --> 00:48:55.789 the farmers 767 00:48:55.789 --> 00:49:00.889 and that river my god i mean i've lived here over 50 years so just imagine 768 00:49:00.889 --> 00:49:02.489 the change that i've seen 769 00:49:02.489 --> 00:49:07.129 right from snowbakes as big as me i can barely you know 770 00:49:09.164 --> 00:49:10.404 climate change is real 771 00:49:10.404 --> 00:49:12.424 and it's huge, so we need 772 00:49:12.424 --> 00:49:14.324 to go, we need to roll with it 773 00:49:14.324 --> 00:49:16.024 and we need to change changes 774 00:49:16.024 --> 00:49:18.144 that work in accordance to the 775 00:49:18.144 --> 00:49:20.244 change, right, so government 776 00:49:20.244 --> 00:49:22.504 gets stuck in its own zone 777 00:49:22.504 --> 00:49:24.224 which a lot of people said, Pat 778 00:49:24.224 --> 00:49:26.084 you should run, and I said 779 00:49:26.084 --> 00:49:28.104 well I'm kind of like Biden, a little bit 780 00:49:28.104 --> 00:49:28.624 too old 781 00:49:30.244 --> 00:49:31.684 but then I said 782 00:49:31.684 --> 00:49:33.784 no, I'm better as Aaron 783 00:49:33.784 --> 00:49:35.604 because I can grab a browse 784 00:49:35.898 --> 00:49:39.798 Once you're in that position, your hands are tied, and I don't want to be tied down. 785 00:49:39.978 --> 00:49:41.038 Nobody ties this building. 786 00:49:43.998 --> 00:49:49.378 And the squeakiest wheel of all, for the last three years, has 787 00:49:49.378 --> 00:49:52.098 been advocating for a massive amount of neighbors 788 00:49:52.098 --> 00:49:57.418 that have lived in terrible conditions to do with the Small Hills Composting 789 00:49:57.418 --> 00:49:57.918 Facility. 790 00:49:58.218 --> 00:50:03.898 So I would ask all of you, when it's gaggingly... 791 00:50:03.973 --> 00:50:06.193 horrible. Eat a peanut butter 792 00:50:06.193 --> 00:50:07.953 sandwich in their yards. 793 00:50:08.453 --> 00:50:10.193 Let them reach out to you 794 00:50:10.193 --> 00:50:12.193 and go and see what they live 795 00:50:12.193 --> 00:50:14.333 with. Not opening their windows 796 00:50:14.333 --> 00:50:15.953 in 100 degree days 797 00:50:15.953 --> 00:50:18.193 because that scent goes in 798 00:50:18.193 --> 00:50:19.913 and stays. It's disgusting. 799 00:50:20.293 --> 00:50:22.253 It's not farm smell. 800 00:50:22.653 --> 00:50:24.193 I have cattle. 801 00:50:24.373 --> 00:50:26.293 I raise sheep now. I know manure. 802 00:50:26.573 --> 00:50:27.853 I know a farm smell. 803 00:50:28.193 --> 00:50:29.853 This is awful. So 804 00:50:29.853 --> 00:50:31.353 these people have worked 805 00:50:32.047 --> 00:50:37.087 long and hard to try to get their lives back. I'm their squeaky wheel when 806 00:50:37.087 --> 00:50:38.387 needed, but they've 807 00:50:38.387 --> 00:50:42.967 picked up their own ball now, my God. They're doing a great thing. You're going to learn 808 00:50:42.967 --> 00:50:48.167 when you get into the position. There's a lawsuit coming through the CSRG, and I would 809 00:50:48.167 --> 00:50:53.267 hope that the new director will really pay attention to the reasons 810 00:50:53.267 --> 00:50:55.467 why a massive amount 811 00:50:55.467 --> 00:50:58.207 of your constituents in this area are suffering. 812 00:51:06.402 --> 00:51:08.942 Oh, I have flat rat in my yard this year. 813 00:51:09.082 --> 00:51:09.802 First time. 814 00:51:10.122 --> 00:51:10.962 Oh, my God. 815 00:51:11.562 --> 00:51:12.702 The cat killed it, though. 816 00:51:13.242 --> 00:51:17.982 But anyway, yeah, but the rats are now coming down to take the rats, and they made it to the south end. 817 00:51:19.242 --> 00:51:20.142 So, anyway. 818 00:51:20.402 --> 00:51:21.242 They're kind of like a virgin. 819 00:51:25.702 --> 00:51:28.122 Anyway, that's enough for me, but I think you've got that. 820 00:51:28.196 --> 00:51:33.296 picture right if you got anything you want to say to me um am i supposed to talk about spa hills or 821 00:51:33.296 --> 00:51:37.716 the rcmp just that you are not going to be that you're going to be a team player with 822 00:51:37.716 --> 00:51:42.876 an aaron brockovich i have nothing against an aaron brockovich i think you are very 823 00:51:42.876 --> 00:51:43.496 needed in the 824 00:51:43.496 --> 00:51:48.616 community okay good i however because we'll be coming yeah i'm just going 825 00:51:48.616 --> 00:51:49.896 to say i i mean like 826 00:51:50.436 --> 00:51:55.636 like i've said before i'm great at listening yeah like and i don't mean just to you i mean in 827 00:51:55.636 --> 00:51:55.956 general 828 00:51:56.991 --> 00:52:02.731 So I'm hoping that the community doesn't even need an Erin Brockovich because 829 00:52:02.731 --> 00:52:05.911 I will actually just listen to what people say. 830 00:52:06.391 --> 00:52:10.951 Yeah, okay. In a perfect world, but in my world, that's never happened. 831 00:52:11.111 --> 00:52:14.051 I know, but that's the thing. That's actually one of the reasons. 832 00:52:14.051 --> 00:52:16.231 You need an enforcement officer to push through. 833 00:52:16.391 --> 00:52:21.571 This is one of the reasons that I wanted to do this in the first place is because 834 00:52:21.571 --> 00:52:22.611 I agree with you. 835 00:52:22.611 --> 00:52:24.271 People don't listen when you talk. 836 00:52:24.345 --> 00:52:29.405 to them it's very annoying so my whole thing is like okay so 837 00:52:29.405 --> 00:52:31.905 i've had this conversation with so 838 00:52:31.905 --> 00:52:37.745 many people already to go spawn those composting and my whole thing is that i 839 00:52:37.745 --> 00:52:38.625 don't feel like i 840 00:52:38.625 --> 00:52:44.205 could even make a decision because i have no idea the actual details 841 00:52:44.205 --> 00:52:46.065 of what's going on because it's 842 00:52:46.065 --> 00:52:51.165 not public well yes some of it is but there's a lot 843 00:52:51.165 --> 00:52:51.945 of parts 844 00:52:52.420 --> 00:52:57.840 there's a lot of parts behind the scenes i'm talking like carbon tax 845 00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.060 credits all kinds of 846 00:52:59.060 --> 00:53:04.300 things that are happening behind the scenes that aren't that it's 847 00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:05.620 not you know what that's smoke 848 00:53:05.620 --> 00:53:10.840 and mirrors to what the people are living i'm not saying that you don't have you just boil it down 849 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.960 to the basics of of what's fair what you could live next door 850 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:18.820 to well i actually i i went there 851 00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.420 i went there 852 00:53:20.494 --> 00:53:25.634 yesterday. Oh good. So I saw the facilities and I'm still 853 00:53:25.634 --> 00:53:30.734 saying I understand. Are you? Nope. I understand. Did you put fix in your notes? I didn't. 854 00:53:31.754 --> 00:53:36.794 I understand why people feel that way and I agree they should 855 00:53:36.794 --> 00:53:41.934 be. And you know one thing I should be really clear on. Wait can I hear this please Pat? Sure. I agree that they should 856 00:53:41.934 --> 00:53:47.134 be operating legally within the bylaws and 857 00:53:47.134 --> 00:53:48.494 permits and all the things. 858 00:53:48.569 --> 00:53:53.709 But at this point it's really hard because there's many different levels 859 00:53:53.709 --> 00:53:56.809 of government involved in the entire thing. 860 00:53:57.289 --> 00:54:02.309 And because of that, it's really hard for me to say, as a civilian, 861 00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:06.109 because I'm not in the government, what exactly I can do. 862 00:54:07.569 --> 00:54:12.949 Right. Well, I guess what I'm looking for is the support that the 863 00:54:12.949 --> 00:54:15.589 director will recognize the problem exists. 864 00:54:15.589 --> 00:54:16.529 And we're not. 865 00:54:16.644 --> 00:54:21.304 We never said, put them out of business. 866 00:54:21.684 --> 00:54:27.004 We said, this is a commercial enterprise now that brings in from Peticton, Kelowna, 867 00:54:27.444 --> 00:54:28.104 Kamloops area. 868 00:54:28.104 --> 00:54:30.864 We don't need that garbage coming to this location. 869 00:54:31.144 --> 00:54:35.624 Put it back to a salmon-arm business that it started off in 2010 as, 870 00:54:36.144 --> 00:54:39.604 post-stamp it back to its original footprint, and we're all good. 871 00:54:39.724 --> 00:54:43.404 Because we all recognize that composting is a necessary entity. 872 00:54:43.824 --> 00:54:44.644 And if done properly... 873 00:54:44.718 --> 00:54:49.358 Hey, we're all on board with that, but not a commercial enterprise in this location. 874 00:54:49.578 --> 00:54:50.158 Full stop. 875 00:54:50.678 --> 00:54:55.698 So that's the community's basic, boiled down 876 00:54:55.698 --> 00:54:58.398 thing with it, and we hope that the director, 877 00:54:58.598 --> 00:55:03.758 the new director, supports that initiative to see that it's rolled 878 00:55:03.758 --> 00:55:06.038 back, and we're all 879 00:55:06.038 --> 00:55:06.838 good on that subject. 880 00:55:06.938 --> 00:55:07.978 You guys have stuff to say? 881 00:55:08.218 --> 00:55:10.918 I've known you for a lot of years, Pat, and you know me. 882 00:55:11.958 --> 00:55:12.678 Good night. 883 00:55:12.793 --> 00:55:18.133 your husband and Andy. And on the RCMP office, I've 884 00:55:18.133 --> 00:55:20.433 been behind that for a long time. I remember 885 00:55:20.433 --> 00:55:25.633 picking up two drunk Native girls along the highway. They 886 00:55:25.633 --> 00:55:27.173 had no idea where they belonged. 887 00:55:27.493 --> 00:55:32.993 I took them up to the RCMP station in Faulkland, left 888 00:55:32.993 --> 00:55:35.313 them in my truck, and I went up, all there 889 00:55:35.313 --> 00:55:40.593 was was a doorbell. No phone number to call, nothing. And that really pissed me off. 890 00:55:40.867 --> 00:55:43.067 because I didn't know what to do with these girls. 891 00:55:43.427 --> 00:55:45.547 So I ended up taking them over to the store, 892 00:55:45.727 --> 00:55:47.427 putting them on the bench in front of the store, 893 00:55:47.867 --> 00:55:49.827 and let them figure out how to get home. 894 00:55:49.967 --> 00:55:50.827 I don't know where they live. 895 00:55:51.007 --> 00:55:54.227 No idea, but I had to get home and look after things at home. 896 00:55:55.687 --> 00:55:58.407 On the Spa Hills business, 897 00:55:59.807 --> 00:56:02.167 when I was with Investment Agriculture Foundation, 898 00:56:02.387 --> 00:56:05.607 one of the farms I visited was about 300 head dairy 899 00:56:05.607 --> 00:56:07.127 in the lower mainland. 900 00:56:08.207 --> 00:56:08.867 And I did it. 901 00:56:08.942 --> 00:56:15.102 the dairy they had what looked like a small uh refinery 902 00:56:15.102 --> 00:56:20.082 about a 60 80 foot tall cylinder 903 00:56:21.122 --> 00:56:26.782 so what they were doing is they were taking all of manure plus truckloads of stale 904 00:56:26.782 --> 00:56:27.522 dated stuff 905 00:56:27.522 --> 00:56:32.662 like yogurt and things that the stores could no longer sell all stale dated taking that stuff in 906 00:56:32.662 --> 00:56:36.862 and they were refining it taking the methane gas on it 907 00:56:37.016 --> 00:56:38.376 I'm putting it into the forest line. 908 00:56:38.716 --> 00:56:42.776 It was an orderless way of dealing with waste. 909 00:56:43.256 --> 00:56:45.276 And it was a terrific operation. 910 00:56:45.596 --> 00:56:49.196 We funded that to a tune of a little bit better than a million dollars. 911 00:56:49.536 --> 00:56:54.196 And it was a worthwhile, really, really worthwhile operation. 912 00:56:54.516 --> 00:56:59.536 And I don't know why a similar approach can't be taken for 913 00:56:59.536 --> 00:57:01.936 these guys unless they're relocated. 914 00:57:03.116 --> 00:57:05.016 Now I've read all, I've read the... 915 00:57:05.091 --> 00:57:10.311 the decision and the fine and all 916 00:57:10.311 --> 00:57:14.631 the regional district reports on it and it's an outstanding 917 00:57:14.631 --> 00:57:20.231 issue that is still up in the air. And 918 00:57:20.231 --> 00:57:24.191 I still need to go to school on that. I need to learn 919 00:57:24.191 --> 00:57:29.371 an awful lot more about that situation before I can offer an opinion. But 920 00:57:29.371 --> 00:57:30.011 I can tell you 921 00:57:30.011 --> 00:57:33.011 that from my experience, I've seen better. 922 00:57:33.165 --> 00:57:38.305 similar operations elsewhere. So this could be done better than it 923 00:57:38.305 --> 00:57:39.005 could be done now. 924 00:57:41.925 --> 00:57:46.945 I'd have to kind of echo what Dennis was saying. I don't know enough. I 925 00:57:46.945 --> 00:57:48.305 don't have enough information. 926 00:57:48.305 --> 00:57:53.605 But what I can tell you, if I were elected into office, is I would definitely 100 927 00:57:53.605 --> 00:57:56.745 % oversee everything that's going on and dive into it. 928 00:57:56.885 --> 00:58:00.905 I just can't give you an answer right now because I don't have all the information in front of me. 929 00:58:01.240 --> 00:58:03.200 Other than what's public, I don't know what's in my hands. 930 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:05.380 I mean, it's fair. 931 00:58:05.560 --> 00:58:06.720 Because you guys aren't there yet. 932 00:58:06.980 --> 00:58:09.020 So we're not putting your feet in the fire. 933 00:58:09.620 --> 00:58:13.240 Just to know that when you get there, I'm going to start a fire. 934 00:58:15.120 --> 00:58:16.340 I'll walk on bird poles. 935 00:58:17.120 --> 00:58:18.860 Yeah, fire includes it. 936 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:19.540 There you go. 937 00:58:22.180 --> 00:58:23.180 Okay, thank you. 938 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:24.260 Murray Hilsen. 939 00:58:26.260 --> 00:58:27.200 Hi, I'm Murray. 940 00:58:28.080 --> 00:58:29.120 I'm going to be there. 941 00:58:29.314 --> 00:58:35.074 know we have been a contractor for 46 years and retired not mostly 942 00:58:35.074 --> 00:58:37.534 logging or building and 943 00:58:39.074 --> 00:58:44.574 our fires aren't because of climate change it's because we don't manage our visible slopes 944 00:58:44.574 --> 00:58:45.414 and 945 00:58:45.414 --> 00:58:50.674 our visible slopes come right back into everybody's backyard and that's 946 00:58:50.674 --> 00:58:51.074 why the 947 00:58:51.074 --> 00:58:56.454 towns are burning so would you guys be here prepared to try to get a program 948 00:58:56.454 --> 00:58:56.894 going 949 00:58:57.389 --> 00:59:02.429 where we can get the forestry, the mills involved in 950 00:59:02.429 --> 00:59:07.309 doing commercial logging on our visible slopes. 951 00:59:07.329 --> 00:59:12.609 It doesn't mean clear -cutting, but we can go in, we can thin, we can strip 952 00:59:12.609 --> 00:59:15.209 log, we can take out ground fuel. 953 00:59:16.129 --> 00:59:22.369 We can also have a program where when 954 00:59:22.369 --> 00:59:24.949 a logging route crosses the creek, 955 00:59:25.463 --> 00:59:30.523 we can make that a small water reservoir for cattle and for forest fighting 956 00:59:30.523 --> 00:59:32.643 um we just need 957 00:59:32.643 --> 00:59:37.783 a big program we also we almost need a farmer 958 00:59:37.783 --> 00:59:42.083 force instead of log it so our force all around 959 00:59:42.083 --> 00:59:47.243 us becomes a forest farm we put in permanent 960 00:59:47.243 --> 00:59:49.923 infrastructure none of this going in taking 961 00:59:49.923 --> 00:59:53.463 the trees out and taking the road back up taking across 962 00:59:53.538 --> 00:59:58.578 lot so we need to get people behind this 963 00:59:58.578 --> 01:00:03.418 that we can do this and and start by managing our visible 964 01:00:03.418 --> 01:00:08.758 slopes would you guys prepare to work on a program like that fire 965 01:00:08.758 --> 01:00:11.178 wildfire is unfortunately part of 966 01:00:11.178 --> 01:00:16.278 the province i'll start this one however wildfire prevention and mitigation is 967 01:00:16.278 --> 01:00:16.998 definitely something 968 01:00:16.998 --> 01:00:21.158 on my target so if something like that were to start i'd back it 110 myself 969 01:00:21.612 --> 01:00:24.052 I don't want to see anyone else lose their homes. 970 01:00:24.652 --> 01:00:27.392 There are so many people that have lost literally everything. 971 01:00:28.172 --> 01:00:29.012 And that's just not fair. 972 01:00:29.572 --> 01:00:31.512 Things changed when they upgraded their system. 973 01:00:32.292 --> 01:00:34.212 When we used to have towers on mountains, 974 01:00:35.172 --> 01:00:38.392 these wildfires were nowhere near as bad, nor were they as catastrophic. 975 01:00:39.232 --> 01:00:41.392 As soon as they stopped managing the floors, 976 01:00:41.972 --> 01:00:44.572 and got rid of those towers, and you had to start calling to Vancouver, 977 01:00:45.192 --> 01:00:46.292 that's when things got worse. 978 01:00:46.612 --> 01:00:49.292 I'd definitely be up for anything that's going to save people's homes. 979 01:00:49.687 --> 01:00:50.587 And potentially less. 980 01:00:53.747 --> 01:00:54.427 I'm done. 981 01:00:54.687 --> 01:00:55.307 I'm done. 982 01:00:55.507 --> 01:00:59.907 The other thing, too, is we have a smart program from the CSRD. 983 01:01:00.047 --> 01:01:01.027 I hear that's canceled. 984 01:01:01.887 --> 01:01:02.947 But I'm not sure. 985 01:01:03.027 --> 01:01:04.147 The Fire Smart program? 986 01:01:04.587 --> 01:01:09.847 It was a Fire Smart program where they pay you to clean up the fuel out of your yard 987 01:01:09.847 --> 01:01:10.287 and stuff. 988 01:01:10.447 --> 01:01:12.167 But we need to go beyond that. 989 01:01:13.107 --> 01:01:16.727 I'd like to see a fire guard between townland and private land. 990 01:01:16.907 --> 01:01:17.667 The whole day. 991 01:01:17.761 --> 01:01:22.781 the mountain and then they say well well fire guards don't work yeah they 992 01:01:22.781 --> 01:01:23.741 do you just have to 993 01:01:23.741 --> 01:01:29.001 know how to manage it you don't build a guard and go home you build a guard and you protect 994 01:01:29.001 --> 01:01:34.101 the downside of the guard from spot fires a fire guard brings a crown 995 01:01:34.101 --> 01:01:35.301 fire down to the ground 996 01:01:35.901 --> 01:01:41.061 where we can fight it so the fire guards just aren't 997 01:01:41.061 --> 01:01:42.921 being used because they don't know how to 998 01:01:42.921 --> 01:01:45.601 use it anyway that's 999 01:01:45.836 --> 01:01:51.096 I'll tell you a little story. When my kids were little, the Ministry of the province 1000 01:01:51.096 --> 01:01:53.356 had what they called a small -scale forestry program. 1001 01:01:53.856 --> 01:01:59.056 And the objective was to add timber, 1002 01:01:59.676 --> 01:02:04.736 merged timber on private land added to the annual cut inventory. 1003 01:02:05.436 --> 01:02:10.476 And so they hired me to 1004 01:02:10.476 --> 01:02:12.336 thin and space my own trees. 1005 01:02:13.910 --> 01:02:18.650 So that, with the guarantee that I wouldn't harvest any trees for 25 years, so I held 1006 01:02:19.590 --> 01:02:25.230 But while I was doing that, I had a forester come out and surveyed my place, and 1007 01:02:25.230 --> 01:02:25.570 he said, 1008 01:02:25.790 --> 01:02:30.030 one of the ways you're going to increase the burnt value of your trees is to trim limbs 1009 01:02:30.030 --> 01:02:35.670 as high as you can possibly reach, and those will grow in as 1010 01:02:35.670 --> 01:02:39.350 a good lumber once they grow 1011 01:02:39.670 --> 01:02:41.910 And also, it reduced... 1012 01:02:41.985 --> 01:02:47.125 the fire hazard because if you get a ground fire the flames aren't going to be able to reach the 1013 01:02:47.125 --> 01:02:52.145 lower branches not only was that good for and and i did that all 1014 01:02:52.145 --> 01:02:54.645 summer not only was that good for 1015 01:02:54.645 --> 01:02:59.765 my place but it was also good for my sheep because when they went up 1016 01:02:59.765 --> 01:03:02.685 into the side of my mountainside 1017 01:03:02.685 --> 01:03:08.085 to uh to grave they had a better way of seeing predators because 1018 01:03:08.085 --> 01:03:09.425 they could see between the trees 1019 01:03:10.059 --> 01:03:15.499 branches in the way all the time. So it was a good deal. I don't know about making interfaced 1020 01:03:15.499 --> 01:03:20.699 trails all over the place or fire guards. I don't have anything 1021 01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:25.759 to say about that. But I have 1022 01:03:25.759 --> 01:03:30.819 160 acres, mostly of about 120 of which 1023 01:03:30.819 --> 01:03:36.039 is forest. There's some nice trees growing on, some big trees growing in there. And 1024 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.059 I've taken a darn good care of them to make sure. 1025 01:03:38.134 --> 01:03:43.314 sure that a fire ain't going to get them if I can possibly 1026 01:03:43.314 --> 01:03:43.914 help it. 1027 01:03:46.454 --> 01:03:51.574 Can you, okay, so I don't know that much about fire breaks. Can you 1028 01:03:51.574 --> 01:03:53.954 just elaborate a little bit and then I can... 1029 01:03:53.954 --> 01:03:56.094 Well, fire guard. Fire guard, sorry. 1030 01:03:57.354 --> 01:04:02.454 So I started logging in the 80s. We were hand logging, 1031 01:04:02.614 --> 01:04:05.834 so we could put a fire guard in while people locked. 1032 01:04:06.208 --> 01:04:11.228 And that's worked pretty good because you could break the ground fuel as long as you didn't 1033 01:04:11.228 --> 01:04:12.048 get a crumb fire. 1034 01:04:12.928 --> 01:04:15.328 But now we've got mechanical logs. 1035 01:04:15.848 --> 01:04:21.248 Loggers can come in and make a swap 100 yards wide in a day for miles 1036 01:04:21.248 --> 01:04:23.048 and remove the fuel. 1037 01:04:23.428 --> 01:04:25.608 Well, fuel is one of the ways to stop fire. 1038 01:04:25.928 --> 01:04:28.708 So you've got a 100 meter wide guard. 1039 01:04:29.568 --> 01:04:31.908 You've got a fire coming. It gets to the guard. 1040 01:04:32.008 --> 01:04:33.728 Say if it's windy. 1041 01:04:34.283 --> 01:04:39.303 Yeah, those flames can dump the guard into the bush behind, but 1042 01:04:39.303 --> 01:04:42.903 that's where you put your firefighters, and they can put out ground fires. 1043 01:04:43.083 --> 01:04:48.103 Very seldom you're going to get a fire to dump the guard and start another ground 1044 01:04:48.103 --> 01:04:48.383 fire. 1045 01:04:48.583 --> 01:04:51.263 So your guard brings a fire to the ground, so they work. 1046 01:04:51.383 --> 01:04:54.063 You just have to know how to work them. 1047 01:04:55.343 --> 01:05:01.163 The last fire I was on was McGillivray in No. 3, and 1048 01:05:01.163 --> 01:05:02.283 I could both try to. 1049 01:05:02.357 --> 01:05:08.117 I'm stupid. I shouldn't say that, but I could. It was just frustrating because, 1050 01:05:08.437 --> 01:05:14.597 well, ever since the D .C. wildfire, the forest was formed, it 1051 01:05:14.597 --> 01:05:16.037 was college case. 1052 01:05:16.197 --> 01:05:21.497 Before that, we had the foresters, knew the loggers, knew the loggers' capability, and 1053 01:05:21.497 --> 01:05:23.737 they would put us in to fight the fire. 1054 01:05:24.277 --> 01:05:29.317 Now, we go on to a fire. You're just a dumb logger. You've got great camera. You 1055 01:05:29.317 --> 01:05:30.137 threw up your total. 1056 01:05:30.432 --> 01:05:36.052 going home. That's what we get. So no hogger wants to fight fire anymore. I 1057 01:05:36.052 --> 01:05:41.252 mean I completely support like having a community 1058 01:05:41.252 --> 01:05:47.172 led initiative where you are well 1059 01:05:47.172 --> 01:05:52.312 putting out fire by yourself because from what I've seen a lot of the times the fire 1060 01:05:52.312 --> 01:05:57.392 like it you know they don't come they don't come in time it's too late it's too big it's 1061 01:05:57.392 --> 01:05:58.432 too hard to control it. 1062 01:05:58.506 --> 01:06:03.566 point. Are you talking about like a community group 1063 01:06:03.566 --> 01:06:05.886 that you want to put together or some kind of an 1064 01:06:06.826 --> 01:06:12.526 initiative or I'm just not sure? We need it from all agencies. 1065 01:06:12.826 --> 01:06:14.366 We need the mills to get on board. 1066 01:06:14.666 --> 01:06:19.986 We need to change the way we log in. Make it like a tree fund. If you understand the 1067 01:06:19.986 --> 01:06:20.666 cycle of the 1068 01:06:20.666 --> 01:06:26.246 forest, the forest, you see the trees are three feet apart or a little, while 1069 01:06:26.246 --> 01:06:26.506 we... 1070 01:06:26.581 --> 01:06:31.661 in the big forest, they're 20 feet apart, they're big. Well, how did we get there? All 1071 01:06:31.661 --> 01:06:36.901 them little trees got snuffed out by the ones that are a little bigger. So if we go in 1072 01:06:36.901 --> 01:06:38.521 and 1073 01:06:38.521 --> 01:06:44.421 take out the smaller ones, do its thinning, and then we can get to a point where some 1074 01:06:44.421 --> 01:06:48.461 of the bigger ones are commercial, so that's called commercial thinning. You take those 1075 01:06:48.461 --> 01:06:53.481 trees out there. The only way to collect the water was to take 1076 01:06:53.481 --> 01:06:54.381 the bigger and the best. 1077 01:06:54.655 --> 01:06:59.675 yeah and you ruined your forest so that's that could be changed and all 1078 01:06:59.675 --> 01:07:00.695 around our community 1079 01:07:00.695 --> 01:07:06.535 we could start logging that and cremating the forest 1080 01:07:06.535 --> 01:07:09.295 farm and then you do like we said you cut 1081 01:07:09.295 --> 01:07:14.435 your ladder fuels up you get your ground fuels we put cattle in 1082 01:07:14.435 --> 01:07:16.955 the bush 10 times the amount we got 1083 01:07:16.955 --> 01:07:22.435 in now the cattle trump the ground fuel they keep that space 1084 01:07:23.690 --> 01:07:25.710 and then we can also 1085 01:07:25.710 --> 01:07:27.210 widen out all our roads 1086 01:07:27.210 --> 01:07:29.470 so that each road is a fire guard 1087 01:07:29.470 --> 01:07:31.890 we isolate all our clumps of timber 1088 01:07:31.890 --> 01:07:33.850 so every road goes around 1089 01:07:34.390 --> 01:07:36.090 it's wider, it's a fire guard 1090 01:07:36.090 --> 01:07:37.070 you put grass there 1091 01:07:37.070 --> 01:07:39.990 so we can increase 1092 01:07:39.990 --> 01:07:42.250 our rangeland in the forest 1093 01:07:42.250 --> 01:07:43.890 and then that relieves 1094 01:07:43.890 --> 01:07:45.330 the water from 1095 01:07:45.850 --> 01:07:47.870 all the hay we have to grow in the valley 1096 01:07:47.870 --> 01:07:49.870 like the whole thing could be a system 1097 01:07:49.870 --> 01:07:50.730 I think it sounds like 1098 01:07:50.805 --> 01:07:57.005 a great initiative. So are you guys behind me on this? Yeah. Okay. You 1099 01:07:57.005 --> 01:07:57.945 know, I'd like to say 1100 01:07:57.945 --> 01:08:04.445 something. You missed a meeting. Our fire society that runs ARRIV, one 1101 01:08:04.445 --> 01:08:07.305 of my things on the table 1102 01:08:07.305 --> 01:08:12.325 for September is meeting with Sean from the CSRD. He's the fire 1103 01:08:12.325 --> 01:08:14.725 chief person, Maria. 1104 01:08:15.925 --> 01:08:18.265 Oh my gosh, exactly. I don't know. That's escaping me. 1105 01:08:18.879 --> 01:08:23.959 Anyway, he wants to meet with our group, and one of my 1106 01:08:23.959 --> 01:08:28.979 paragraphs in my assessment of this is the Old Boys 1107 01:08:28.979 --> 01:08:34.999 Club, because I think the information and the knowledge of 1108 01:08:34.999 --> 01:08:40.379 what you guys are going to your grave with needs to be documented 1109 01:08:40.379 --> 01:08:45.739 and put out there, so I'm trying to drag every old guy, every old geezer 1110 01:08:45.739 --> 01:08:46.759 that doesn't think he should. 1111 01:08:46.954 --> 01:08:52.154 ever have a voice anymore, to come to meetings, because that's the only way 1112 01:08:52.154 --> 01:08:53.114 these young guys 1113 01:08:53.114 --> 01:08:57.734 that have got their university degrees, but they don't know cheap shit from dates compared 1114 01:08:57.734 --> 01:09:02.094 to what you went through, because you were hands-on in the trenches for your whole life, 1115 01:09:02.314 --> 01:09:07.574 you learned it through apprenticeship, right? Doing. So they need to take 1116 01:09:07.574 --> 01:09:08.654 those manuals 1117 01:09:08.654 --> 01:09:14.694 and adopt some of your principles. But if they're not known, you're... 1118 01:09:15.588 --> 01:09:20.728 You'll die with this information. So I'm working on that. So answer my phone 1119 01:09:20.728 --> 01:09:21.828 when I call you. 1120 01:09:30.368 --> 01:09:35.448 Yes, I know. They came too. They back us up at 11 1121 01:09:35.448 --> 01:09:35.908 o 'clock. 1122 01:09:36.068 --> 01:09:40.128 They even got their four BC wildfires for the one by the dump this year. 1123 01:09:40.848 --> 01:09:42.448 I mean, Yankee Flats would be gone now. 1124 01:09:43.103 --> 01:09:47.343 for 11 o'clock and then BC Wildfire showed up at about 1.30. 1125 01:09:47.883 --> 01:09:50.543 So, I mean, they're stretched. 1126 01:09:50.703 --> 01:09:51.883 Their resources are stretched. 1127 01:09:52.143 --> 01:09:55.363 We need to be community-based. 1128 01:09:55.583 --> 01:09:57.183 They put out a lot of knowledge. 1129 01:09:57.403 --> 01:10:01.783 Yeah, and like what we're doing, it's a little bit tricky with Area D 1130 01:10:01.783 --> 01:10:05.383 because you've got to, Ranchero's got to get their group together 1131 01:10:05.383 --> 01:10:08.903 with their team and then Chief Creek, right? 1132 01:10:09.303 --> 01:10:11.043 And then we've got it over here. 1133 01:10:11.177 --> 01:10:13.337 and we're not trying to replace 1134 01:10:13.337 --> 01:10:14.857 wildfire people 1135 01:10:14.857 --> 01:10:15.937 we're just 1136 01:10:16.917 --> 01:10:18.317 trying to save ourselves 1137 01:10:19.477 --> 01:10:21.577 but the old boys need to get 1138 01:10:21.577 --> 01:10:23.057 their documentation done 1139 01:10:23.057 --> 01:10:24.957 we need scribers for you guys 1140 01:10:27.277 --> 01:10:28.357 I'll shut up 1141 01:10:28.357 --> 01:10:30.697 we can fight for two months of the year 1142 01:10:30.697 --> 01:10:32.917 we can prevent it ten thousand months of the year 1143 01:10:32.917 --> 01:10:33.937 yeah exactly 1144 01:10:33.937 --> 01:10:36.337 well said, all your ideas 1145 01:10:36.337 --> 01:10:37.437 all common sense 1146 01:10:38.257 --> 01:10:39.057 that's what we 1147 01:10:39.252 --> 01:10:44.272 be doing everything he said. Totally agree with that. Thank you. Okay, 1148 01:10:44.512 --> 01:10:45.632 so there is, it 1149 01:10:45.632 --> 01:10:50.012 looks like that's it for people that signed up, but I have some emails that I'm going 1150 01:10:50.012 --> 01:10:54.872 to read out. I have, I think it's four or five emails from people that couldn't attend 1151 01:10:54.872 --> 01:11:00.992 that wanted me to bring up their concerns, okay? I 1152 01:11:00.992 --> 01:11:01.552 will find them. 1153 01:11:07.326 --> 01:11:12.486 Okay, here's one. Spa Hills Compost. I'm not meaning to 1154 01:11:12.486 --> 01:11:17.666 do the dead horse, but this is a really big issue. Spa Hills Compost has been out of compliance for 1155 01:11:17.666 --> 01:11:23.226 several years, with residents, local businesses, and potential business start -ups experiencing 1156 01:11:23.226 --> 01:11:26.766 negative ongoing impacts from its location in our community. 1157 01:11:27.246 --> 01:11:32.266 Before the facility opened its doors, the community was promised they 1158 01:11:32.266 --> 01:11:34.146 would never have to worry about owners. 1159 01:11:35.401 --> 01:11:40.461 odors from the facility have been detected as far as three kilometers away affecting 1160 01:11:40.461 --> 01:11:41.041 families 1161 01:11:41.041 --> 01:11:46.561 ability to enjoy their homes and environmental impacts have also been reported if 1162 01:11:46.561 --> 01:11:46.981 elected 1163 01:11:46.981 --> 01:11:52.021 what specific actions would you take to address this issue and what is your 1164 01:11:52.021 --> 01:11:53.381 approach to determining 1165 01:11:53.381 --> 01:11:59.141 whether this facility should remain in a residential and agricultural area or be relocated 1166 01:11:59.141 --> 01:11:59.761 to a more 1167 01:11:59.761 --> 01:12:03.401 appropriate location i feel like you might 1168 01:12:03.475 --> 01:12:08.615 I've kind of answered that before, so I'm just going to make that comment. 1169 01:12:08.755 --> 01:12:09.735 Okay, here's one more then. 1170 01:12:10.655 --> 01:12:15.735 If elected, each of you have mentioned bringing Spa Hills composting into compliance, 1171 01:12:15.735 --> 01:12:20.795 but that doesn't seem like a viable solution for the people that live in this valley. 1172 01:12:21.095 --> 01:12:24.895 The fact is that this business shouldn't be in a residential area. 1173 01:12:25.255 --> 01:12:28.475 There's a reason we don't build garbage dumps near homes. 1174 01:12:28.475 --> 01:12:29.435 This is no different. 1175 01:12:29.435 --> 01:12:31.475 If the CSRD feels like this, 1176 01:12:31.550 --> 01:12:36.570 This is a needed business. Can we propose a full current site cleanup and 1177 01:12:36.570 --> 01:12:41.570 a new facility that is built properly from step one? 1178 01:12:45.550 --> 01:12:46.810 Somewhere else is what they're suggesting. 1179 01:12:47.230 --> 01:12:52.390 Installing non -permeable surfaces and proper building and processing facilities rather 1180 01:12:52.390 --> 01:12:57.890 than spending tons of money trying to retrofit the damaged property and non -compliant 1181 01:12:57.890 --> 01:12:59.550 buildings in this current state. 1182 01:12:59.624 --> 01:13:05.564 The CSRD can still utilize composting as a way of dealing with refuse issues, 1183 01:13:05.904 --> 01:13:10.904 but local residents should never be the ones to suffer from such a horrific smell. 1184 01:13:11.364 --> 01:13:16.644 Spa Hills has been out of compliance for many years, with many Ministry of Environment reports 1185 01:13:16.644 --> 01:13:18.704 to prove the constant non -compliance. 1186 01:13:19.324 --> 01:13:24.524 If this business is ever brought into compliance, how can you guarantee the smell wouldn't 1187 01:13:24.524 --> 01:13:26.104 still affect the local residents? 1188 01:13:26.404 --> 01:13:27.384 You can't. 1189 01:13:27.699 --> 01:13:29.199 because we won't know until it's done. 1190 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:30.759 But that could be too late. 1191 01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:33.839 We need to come up with a smarter solution now. 1192 01:13:34.179 --> 01:13:38.619 Currently, the smell is being tracked more than 3,000 meters away, 1193 01:13:38.999 --> 01:13:42.019 affecting hundreds of local residences and businesses. 1194 01:13:44.779 --> 01:13:47.779 Okay, so those are just comments for you about Swahills. 1195 01:13:55.773 --> 01:14:00.173 so that's a statement we've already yeah you guys have already commented on 1196 01:14:00.173 --> 01:14:03.333 spot hills so i just wanted to read those out because they were sent to me 1197 01:14:08.293 --> 01:14:12.753 so i have a question yeah i think that's it so you guys don't have any comment on 1198 01:14:12.753 --> 01:14:15.333 it right now because you haven't done enough research on it 1199 01:14:17.533 --> 01:14:22.613 i tried i tried to like that's what i spent 1200 01:14:22.613 --> 01:14:23.773 the last two weeks 1201 01:14:23.848 --> 01:14:28.908 doing is researching spahills because it's the first thing that came up 1202 01:14:28.908 --> 01:14:31.888 and there is a lot of 1203 01:14:31.888 --> 01:14:37.148 things that say that it's non -compliant but it's very 1204 01:14:37.148 --> 01:14:39.788 vague as to exactly why it's non -compliant 1205 01:14:39.788 --> 01:14:45.248 outside of the impermeable surface. I sent all of you emails yesterday and 1206 01:14:45.248 --> 01:14:46.308 I gave you reports 1207 01:14:46.308 --> 01:14:51.488 of the non -compliant. Yes. It's not vague, it's black and white. But again, 1208 01:14:51.728 --> 01:14:51.848 it's 1209 01:14:51.922 --> 01:14:57.602 not just a regional district thing. It's not. There's provincial 1210 01:14:57.602 --> 01:14:59.242 stuff involved in this process. 1211 01:14:59.242 --> 01:15:02.922 It's not regional district, but it's started in our regional district. There is different... 1212 01:15:02.922 --> 01:15:08.062 I'm not saying that nothing should be done about spa house. That is not my point. My 1213 01:15:08.062 --> 01:15:08.802 point is that 1214 01:15:08.802 --> 01:15:14.022 I don't have all the information because a lot of it I don't have access to. 1215 01:15:15.122 --> 01:15:17.482 I don't even know if I 1216 01:15:17.482 --> 01:15:19.502 can shut them down. 1217 01:15:19.997 --> 01:15:25.017 it's not that's not what we want. I 1218 01:15:25.017 --> 01:15:30.077 guess my question would be, are you going to support a business that's breaching a biwop? No, 1219 01:15:30.397 --> 01:15:35.677 but I could support them maybe complying with the biwop? 1220 01:15:35.917 --> 01:15:38.897 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm on board. 1221 01:15:39.757 --> 01:15:45.217 Can I make a comment? This is based on when I was in the wetland alliance and 1222 01:15:45.217 --> 01:15:47.317 what we found when the smart centers 1223 01:15:48.071 --> 01:15:53.911 moved on to the weapons, is that provincial law, 1224 01:15:54.391 --> 01:15:56.771 like one of the things, there were several 1225 01:15:56.771 --> 01:16:02.471 things that was just wacky, and one of the things was that they, the province required 1226 01:16:02.471 --> 01:16:07.791 that the developer provide an environmental assessment to 1227 01:16:07.791 --> 01:16:09.031 the city. 1228 01:16:09.971 --> 01:16:15.011 There was zero provision after that that the city do 1229 01:16:15.011 --> 01:16:15.731 anything with it. 1230 01:16:16.146 --> 01:16:21.766 was like this dead end. It didn't really matter what it said. They just had to submit it. And 1231 01:16:21.766 --> 01:16:22.066 so 1232 01:16:22.066 --> 01:16:27.526 one of the things when at some point our group submitted 1233 01:16:27.526 --> 01:16:31.066 to the OMSBUDs person's office a I 1234 01:16:31.066 --> 01:16:36.326 think it was like 22 suggestions that to change provincial 1235 01:16:36.326 --> 01:16:39.026 law. And I think that's one of the 1236 01:16:39.026 --> 01:16:43.746 issues is provincial law doesn't have good regulation. 1237 01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:49.300 They don't know how to regulate a composting facility, is my understanding from 1238 01:16:49.300 --> 01:16:51.460 watching the CSRD meetings. 1239 01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:54.640 I don't live in this area. 1240 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:58.320 I live in Ranchero, so I don't know a lot about the issue. 1241 01:16:58.480 --> 01:17:00.160 But I do know a lot about composting. 1242 01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:02.880 Composting doesn't work very well on a large scale. 1243 01:17:03.320 --> 01:17:06.480 I've suggested neighborhood composting to the CSRD. 1244 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:08.560 I suggest doing it at the top. 1245 01:17:08.660 --> 01:17:10.440 That makes much more sense. 1246 01:17:10.440 --> 01:17:12.220 But, but, what I'm saying. 1247 01:17:12.295 --> 01:17:18.835 I'm saying is that the CSRD could support a letter 1248 01:17:18.835 --> 01:17:21.455 with suggestions to the OMSFUDs person 1249 01:17:21.455 --> 01:17:26.595 about better provincial regulation in order to help, because 1250 01:17:26.595 --> 01:17:27.975 I understand what you're 1251 01:17:27.975 --> 01:17:33.015 saying of running into these gray areas at different levels 1252 01:17:33.015 --> 01:17:35.075 of government and trying 1253 01:17:35.075 --> 01:17:40.095 to, like, if they don't have regulations, they're like, oh, well, we don't 1254 01:17:40.095 --> 01:17:40.295 have that. 1255 01:17:40.369 --> 01:17:45.889 regulation and that's sort of a dead end but if you if there are ways to to 1256 01:17:45.889 --> 01:17:46.149 get 1257 01:17:46.149 --> 01:17:51.669 around that and I think if the CSRD provided 1258 01:17:51.669 --> 01:17:55.529 leadership to to rather than 1259 01:17:55.529 --> 01:18:00.789 just following like oh this is this is what the province 1260 01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:02.669 says yeah I'm saying 1261 01:18:02.669 --> 01:18:07.689 here's what the province should be saying I mean if we could do that 1262 01:18:07.689 --> 01:18:07.869 as 1263 01:18:08.444 --> 01:18:13.664 I don't know, eight -person board for the Wetland Alliance, and 1264 01:18:13.664 --> 01:18:14.764 it was listened to. 1265 01:18:14.944 --> 01:18:20.304 Like, not all of the changes we suggested were made, but a significant number 1266 01:18:20.304 --> 01:18:20.624 of them 1267 01:18:20.624 --> 01:18:21.764 changed provincial law. 1268 01:18:22.104 --> 01:18:24.924 I mean, I was pretty amazed at it. 1269 01:18:26.144 --> 01:18:31.384 So I would just throw that out as a suggestion, and also things like pilot 1270 01:18:31.384 --> 01:18:32.924 programs within 1271 01:18:32.924 --> 01:18:35.924 neighborhoods to do smaller-level... 1272 01:18:38.858 --> 01:18:43.398 composting. Everybody thinks that everything works well at large scale, but it doesn't. 1273 01:18:43.538 --> 01:18:46.118 Biological processes do not work well at large scale. 1274 01:18:46.118 --> 01:18:47.778 This wasn't supposed to be at large scale. 1275 01:18:48.398 --> 01:18:49.638 The man can't trust it. 1276 01:18:49.858 --> 01:18:55.858 But even at the scale it was supposed to be at, I think neighborhood composting 1277 01:18:55.858 --> 01:18:56.078 would 1278 01:18:56.078 --> 01:19:01.298 work better in many instances. Not all instances. 1279 01:19:01.778 --> 01:19:04.518 You know, rural areas it's a bit harder, but... 1280 01:19:04.593 --> 01:19:07.613 A lot of that stuff doesn't come from the rural area. 1281 01:19:07.733 --> 01:19:08.973 No, most of it doesn't. 1282 01:19:09.013 --> 01:19:10.993 You can't yard process animals. 1283 01:19:11.393 --> 01:19:16.413 I have yard processed everything that's compostable 1284 01:19:16.413 --> 01:19:17.933 for the last 25 years. 1285 01:19:18.113 --> 01:19:19.773 How do you keep the animals out of that? 1286 01:19:19.993 --> 01:19:20.793 You cover it. 1287 01:19:22.493 --> 01:19:23.793 I've never had a problem. 1288 01:19:23.853 --> 01:19:29.053 I lived in Eagle Bay, and I composted for 25 years and never had animals 1289 01:19:29.053 --> 01:19:29.773 in my compost. 1290 01:19:30.233 --> 01:19:32.593 And there's also, you can create certain. 1291 01:19:32.667 --> 01:19:38.027 economy businesses. You talked about waste issues. You can, like, I 1292 01:19:38.027 --> 01:19:38.667 don't even want, 1293 01:19:38.687 --> 01:19:43.367 it's too much to go into, but there is so much that could eventually have leadership 1294 01:19:43.367 --> 01:19:48.827 at the CSRD level on it, rather than just kind of plotting 1295 01:19:48.827 --> 01:19:51.427 along with lawsuits. There's 1296 01:19:51.427 --> 01:19:54.427 a lot of things that could be done, in my opinion. 1297 01:19:55.767 --> 01:19:59.187 I wanted to talk about that. I really agree with that. But I'm going to say right now, 1298 01:19:59.187 --> 01:20:00.667 the first thing you can do is take a look at it. 1299 01:20:00.742 --> 01:20:05.322 vote is the new one who stands up and says they want a collaborative approach to dealing with 1300 01:20:05.322 --> 01:20:10.242 SWAT health. I think the lawsuit, I know you guys have been doing this for a long time, I think it 1301 01:20:10.242 --> 01:20:15.002 is the worst idea ever. We need to be working together as a community. Yeah, this stuff sucks. 1302 01:20:15.142 --> 01:20:19.902 We all hate it. It's horrible. You don't even live there. How could you say it? Oh my God. 1303 01:20:20.842 --> 01:20:26.102 Trust me, I am by there all the time. All the time. I get it. I understand. I am not 1304 01:20:26.102 --> 01:20:26.422 saying 1305 01:20:26.422 --> 01:20:28.742 you guys should put with it at all. That's not what I'm saying. 1306 01:20:29.796 --> 01:20:35.116 But, there are businesses that employs a lot of people in this community, as an agricultural producer, they 1307 01:20:35.116 --> 01:20:35.636 need them. 1308 01:20:36.216 --> 01:20:41.276 They need them. So, we need to come up with a strategy that's going to 1309 01:20:41.276 --> 01:20:41.896 work together. 1310 01:20:42.216 --> 01:20:46.456 And I know there's many answers out there. The CSRB just refused to look at it before. 1311 01:20:46.916 --> 01:20:49.136 They just declined. They wouldn't listen in meetings. 1312 01:20:49.156 --> 01:20:53.156 They wouldn't listen when you guys were complaining, and they let it get to be a bigger and bigger decision. 1313 01:20:53.156 --> 01:20:56.196 Until it had to be, until you guys had to have a lawsuit. 1314 01:20:56.891 --> 01:20:58.231 CSRD did not listen. 1315 01:20:59.371 --> 01:21:01.671 And, yeah, that's what I saw. 1316 01:21:01.831 --> 01:21:03.191 I mean, I don't live in the area. 1317 01:21:03.351 --> 01:21:06.191 I don't have to do a listen to them, but that's exactly what I saw. 1318 01:21:06.931 --> 01:21:08.151 All great ideas, you guys. 1319 01:21:08.251 --> 01:21:09.771 I've got a couple questions in the back. 1320 01:21:11.371 --> 01:21:15.751 I keep hearing this argument about 1321 01:21:15.751 --> 01:21:18.631 law enforcement should be supposed to be a person to employ people. 1322 01:21:19.451 --> 01:21:21.811 And I know that's great that they employ people. 1323 01:21:22.291 --> 01:21:24.891 But I don't think that it's a... 1324 01:21:24.966 --> 01:21:30.366 It's an unbearable reason to sacrifice an entire community for some 1325 01:21:30.366 --> 01:21:31.386 employment. 1326 01:21:32.006 --> 01:21:36.466 We are, most of us are asking that the facility be moved to a different location, 1327 01:21:36.646 --> 01:21:39.006 so the jobs wouldn't really actually be lost. 1328 01:21:39.186 --> 01:21:44.726 Those people could be, you know, working for the still 1329 01:21:44.726 --> 01:21:45.126 spot, 1330 01:21:45.286 --> 01:21:48.066 but it could be a location where it doesn't affect everybody. 1331 01:21:48.386 --> 01:21:51.846 So I just don't want to give a look at our view room. 1332 01:21:53.040 --> 01:21:58.560 I would like to hear, I remember you guys were saying that you don't know enough about those situations 1333 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:03.800 to say, you know, how do you feel about it, but you have 1334 01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:04.980 some of those smells, right? 1335 01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:05.960 Yeah, I'm specific. 1336 01:22:06.240 --> 01:22:11.460 And so, just based on the smell alone, I would like to know how 1337 01:22:11.460 --> 01:22:12.520 do you guys feel about that. 1338 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:17.660 Even if this company was in full compliance, you can get 1339 01:22:17.660 --> 01:22:20.880 there that all these people... 1340 01:22:21.115 --> 01:22:26.375 enjoy your homes because composting is important. I don't, I 1341 01:22:26.375 --> 01:22:27.915 feel that it's not working for the 1342 01:22:27.915 --> 01:22:32.915 sacrifice in the community for it. I don't know, I'll tell you guys, just based on smellable, 1343 01:22:33.055 --> 01:22:38.075 not, not, um, reports and not, uh, compliance issues, but 1344 01:22:38.075 --> 01:22:39.635 just based on smellable, do you 1345 01:22:39.635 --> 01:22:45.855 feel that it's fair that what's happening is happening? Well, it's 1346 01:22:45.855 --> 01:22:46.915 a problem in need of a 1347 01:22:46.915 --> 01:22:49.115 solution. Absolutely. We have, but it's in a, 1348 01:22:49.189 --> 01:22:54.589 with that just exactly what the solution is still has to be explored i've 1349 01:22:54.589 --> 01:22:55.889 mediated meetings where 1350 01:22:56.469 --> 01:23:01.809 we've listened to everybody and talked about what 1351 01:23:01.809 --> 01:23:04.109 are the options we start hearing ideas 1352 01:23:04.949 --> 01:23:10.149 and at some point along the way you know some some kind of truth emerges 1353 01:23:10.149 --> 01:23:11.089 and a solution 1354 01:23:11.669 --> 01:23:16.529 you know gets gets a bit of a whiff of a useful whiff in there 1355 01:23:18.064 --> 01:23:23.084 There's ways for this to be done, it needs to be 1356 01:23:23.084 --> 01:23:26.664 explored, and I think we all agree that 1357 01:23:26.664 --> 01:23:31.684 that is the case, it needs to be explored, and it needs to be 1358 01:23:31.684 --> 01:23:32.304 investigated. 1359 01:23:34.184 --> 01:23:39.224 I know Jake Mitchell is going to fight the fine that he's been 1360 01:23:39.224 --> 01:23:41.024 laying on him, I read 1361 01:23:41.024 --> 01:23:45.184 the fine that you see him, or Josh Mitchell, or Josh, I mean Josh. 1362 01:23:45.338 --> 01:23:51.338 I read the decision by the adjudicator 1363 01:23:51.338 --> 01:23:52.358 that levied the fine. 1364 01:23:53.358 --> 01:23:58.678 It's fulsome and detailed and covers all 1365 01:23:58.678 --> 01:23:59.198 the bases. 1366 01:24:00.918 --> 01:24:06.118 They're going to be spending quite a bit of money on a lawyer to appeal that to probably the 1367 01:24:06.118 --> 01:24:07.238 Supreme Court of D .C. 1368 01:24:08.778 --> 01:24:12.238 But that aside, it still is a neighborhood issue. 1369 01:24:13.413 --> 01:24:18.433 neighborhood problem that's in search of a solution and it's 1370 01:24:18.433 --> 01:24:19.533 going to take a community 1371 01:24:20.013 --> 01:24:26.413 with the participation of those guys to find out, find a way to 1372 01:24:26.413 --> 01:24:26.913 work it out. 1373 01:24:28.053 --> 01:24:31.313 It's got to, it's got to be, that has to be the case. 1374 01:24:31.673 --> 01:24:37.133 You can't just, you can't just complain about it, you can't just rumble about it, you 1375 01:24:37.133 --> 01:24:37.293 have 1376 01:24:37.293 --> 01:24:40.773 to find, you can't send the police in there to try and shut them down. 1377 01:24:41.487 --> 01:24:46.727 You've got to find a way to get their cooperation and the willingness of the community and perhaps 1378 01:24:46.727 --> 01:24:52.567 the willingness of very less levels of government to help them find a 1379 01:24:52.567 --> 01:24:55.027 solution that's acceptable to the community. 1380 01:24:55.467 --> 01:24:56.587 To help them? 1381 01:24:58.667 --> 01:25:03.707 Yeah, help them find a solution that's agreeable to the community. 1382 01:25:04.647 --> 01:25:09.487 Well, it seems to me that's a very special thing, so why aren't we moving that up? 1383 01:25:09.562 --> 01:25:14.662 into the large tracts of government land, this can be 1384 01:25:14.662 --> 01:25:16.362 a facility, it can be moved out, 1385 01:25:16.702 --> 01:25:21.802 it doesn't have to be a private facility, it can be a government facility, out of 1386 01:25:21.802 --> 01:25:22.462 ground land 1387 01:25:22.462 --> 01:25:25.702 where you go way away from already, you're not going to be worried about the smell. 1388 01:25:26.222 --> 01:25:29.962 You know, there's a beginning, a little bit out. 1389 01:25:30.242 --> 01:25:35.262 So there's an example of an idea, perhaps a way for this to be 1390 01:25:35.262 --> 01:25:35.642 addressed. 1391 01:25:35.642 --> 01:25:37.222 When you ask why not... 1392 01:25:37.636 --> 01:25:42.696 well maybe maybe there's a whole lot of reasons behind why not but they all 1393 01:25:42.696 --> 01:25:43.756 have to be explored 1394 01:25:43.756 --> 01:25:49.356 to the fullest extent you just can't come up with an idea to stop and move those guys somehow 1395 01:25:49.916 --> 01:25:55.316 because it's there's a whole a whole myriad of processes that are involved in 1396 01:25:55.316 --> 01:25:56.416 seeing that done 1397 01:25:56.996 --> 01:26:00.756 and getting that done but all that material could be incinerated 1398 01:26:03.636 --> 01:26:04.636 well there's another 1399 01:26:05.711 --> 01:26:10.731 people are created animals are created it's all it doesn't it doesn't 1400 01:26:10.731 --> 01:26:11.711 burn well because there's 1401 01:26:11.711 --> 01:26:17.051 too much moisture in it it can be but it still go burnt people bodies burn and they're 98 1402 01:26:17.051 --> 01:26:17.471 percent 1403 01:26:25.471 --> 01:26:30.651 it captures the gas off the waste and actually it's profitable they 1404 01:26:30.651 --> 01:26:32.131 sell it into the forest system 1405 01:26:33.785 --> 01:26:38.805 I think, like, Spa Hills is by far the most talked about 1406 01:26:38.805 --> 01:26:42.645 topic, even from people that have reached out to me in the community. 1407 01:26:44.125 --> 01:26:49.445 So, I don't think that there's a way that, as any of us, we can say, 1408 01:26:49.585 --> 01:26:54.605 I am 100 % gonna do this thing, because we don't even know if we 1409 01:26:54.605 --> 01:26:54.965 can. 1410 01:26:55.805 --> 01:27:00.885 I don't know that, I don't know if Dennis was like, I hate Spa Hills. Could he get Spa 1411 01:27:00.885 --> 01:27:01.605 Hills shut down? 1412 01:27:01.860 --> 01:27:03.500 I don't think that's what we're asking. 1413 01:27:03.660 --> 01:27:08.480 But you're asking to move it, and I don't know if that's also something that we could do. 1414 01:27:08.860 --> 01:27:10.660 We're asking what you support and what you don't support. 1415 01:27:10.900 --> 01:27:16.220 I support a collaborative arrangement that will hopefully make 1416 01:27:16.220 --> 01:27:18.060 everybody happy. 1417 01:27:18.940 --> 01:27:23.760 So, yeah, I mean, it's really hard to answer that question. 1418 01:27:24.100 --> 01:27:29.600 I would really like to work with Spa Hills and actually come 1419 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:29.860 up with... 1420 01:27:29.934 --> 01:27:31.714 the solution so that 1421 01:27:31.714 --> 01:27:33.634 they can continue their business 1422 01:27:34.314 --> 01:27:35.594 maybe in a way 1423 01:27:35.594 --> 01:27:37.434 that is inoffensive to everybody. 1424 01:27:37.734 --> 01:27:39.334 I don't know if that exists. 1425 01:27:39.834 --> 01:27:41.114 Who gets a fault with that? 1426 01:27:41.714 --> 01:27:42.234 Yeah. 1427 01:27:44.274 --> 01:27:49.474 I never said that I supported it. 1428 01:27:49.554 --> 01:27:50.874 All I'm saying is that 1429 01:27:50.874 --> 01:27:53.554 I said that I want 1430 01:27:53.554 --> 01:27:55.874 to work with them to create 1431 01:27:56.734 --> 01:27:57.514 just because 1432 01:27:58.009 --> 01:28:03.209 work with them does it mean that I don't want to work with you? I just, 1433 01:28:03.329 --> 01:28:04.729 for me, I just can't 1434 01:28:04.729 --> 01:28:09.869 understand how, you know, everybody says, oh, 1435 01:28:10.009 --> 01:28:12.349 work with it. It's pretty black and white. 1436 01:28:12.469 --> 01:28:17.489 There's a bylaw, and he's supposed to be operating, that business is supposed to be operating 1437 01:28:17.489 --> 01:28:23.289 at a certain size. He's operating well within it. Dean Trumley has spoken 1438 01:28:23.289 --> 01:28:24.149 to all of us, 1439 01:28:24.149 --> 01:28:26.009 has made it very clear that... 1440 01:28:26.083 --> 01:28:31.323 CSRD took over two years to work with him. He will not. And now that's 1441 01:28:31.323 --> 01:28:33.203 why it is going to the court. 1442 01:28:34.523 --> 01:28:39.623 So how could you sit here and say that you want to work with a business that doesn't want to work with the 1443 01:28:39.623 --> 01:28:39.883 community? 1444 01:28:39.883 --> 01:28:44.943 It's actually costing the CSRD money in court. And you want to work with them. 1445 01:28:46.543 --> 01:28:50.503 Because the CSRD needs composting somewhere. 1446 01:28:52.003 --> 01:28:53.663 That's a dump. That's a dump. 1447 01:28:54.158 --> 01:28:59.318 There's no room at the dump, but the city is that we're not safe for them to come to the 1448 01:28:59.318 --> 01:29:04.418 board system. Do you know one thing we should all agree 1449 01:29:04.418 --> 01:29:08.078 on is that we're talking about the CSRD, 1450 01:29:08.398 --> 01:29:14.558 which is our area. We are not talking about Penticton, Kelowna, 1451 01:29:15.598 --> 01:29:16.338 Kamloops. 1452 01:29:16.918 --> 01:29:21.498 Are we prepared for the fact that those trucks are bringing in 1453 01:29:22.232 --> 01:29:27.332 of their garbage to that little spot on this road. So this 1454 01:29:27.332 --> 01:29:29.652 is a commercial composting facility. 1455 01:29:30.552 --> 01:29:36.412 Kelowna needs to, I've written to Kelowna, they've built a composting facility. Penticton, 1456 01:29:36.412 --> 01:29:41.592 we do not need their garbage here. We need to only deal with us. And 1457 01:29:41.592 --> 01:29:43.832 like you mentioned Yankee 1458 01:29:43.832 --> 01:29:48.892 Flats Meats. Yes, the local, if it was dialed right down 1459 01:29:48.892 --> 01:29:50.232 to the small little... 1460 01:29:50.307 --> 01:29:55.627 community people, just Salmon Arm, we might be able to make that business 1461 01:29:55.627 --> 01:29:56.387 function because 1462 01:29:56.387 --> 01:30:01.487 that would be the footprint that it was agreed to start within, not become a 1463 01:30:01.487 --> 01:30:03.007 sneaky, greedy, 1464 01:30:04.827 --> 01:30:09.687 commercial composting that brought, and then when they do their screening, it goes to the 1465 01:30:09.687 --> 01:30:15.707 landfills, Vernon's landfill, Salmon Arm's landfill, Kelowna's garbage, Penticton's 1466 01:30:15.707 --> 01:30:18.307 garbage, all their plastics are... 1467 01:30:18.381 --> 01:30:23.581 to our sights. Is that what we want? And I'm going to leave you with this other 1468 01:30:23.581 --> 01:30:24.361 aspect 1469 01:30:24.361 --> 01:30:29.441 of this that has to be said out loud for these guys to get a grip on. This 1470 01:30:29.441 --> 01:30:31.281 is not new. They 1471 01:30:31.281 --> 01:30:37.101 have been suffering for nearly a decade. So, excuse 1472 01:30:37.101 --> 01:30:40.421 me, we're at the end of the rope. There's 1473 01:30:40.421 --> 01:30:45.821 no, we got to do a study or this or that. That ship has long 1474 01:30:45.821 --> 01:30:46.261 sailed. 1475 01:30:46.456 --> 01:30:50.996 And that's why there's a court case coming, because they pushed us. 1476 01:30:51.216 --> 01:30:56.436 I can show you the emails that I sent to that family trying to get a community meeting 1477 01:30:56.436 --> 01:30:57.656 together with their neighbors 1478 01:30:57.656 --> 01:31:02.536 to see if we can sit at a table in somebody's kitchen and solve this. 1479 01:31:02.696 --> 01:31:05.516 If he would be agreeable to do something different. 1480 01:31:06.256 --> 01:31:07.976 That was not approached. 1481 01:31:08.356 --> 01:31:10.056 It was an adversarial thing. 1482 01:31:10.076 --> 01:31:14.076 I'm an evil, horrible person for even saying, you know, well, that's how I was treated. 1483 01:31:14.530 --> 01:31:19.970 So here's the thing. This situation is in the courts. The 1484 01:31:19.970 --> 01:31:25.190 CSRB guy that gets in is going to find that out. He's not going to be able to say much because it's 1485 01:31:25.190 --> 01:31:30.510 in the courts, right? And we have to go through due process. But what everybody goes 1486 01:31:30.510 --> 01:31:35.830 out of this room needs to realize that at 100 degrees, they're 1487 01:31:35.830 --> 01:31:40.970 not opening their windows. They keep their doors shut. There is no barbecuing 1488 01:31:40.970 --> 01:31:42.190 outside on a patio. 1489 01:31:42.605 --> 01:31:47.745 a steak in the summer no family gatherings because the wretched odor 1490 01:31:47.745 --> 01:31:49.625 is destroying the lives 1491 01:31:49.625 --> 01:31:53.545 there's people with migraine headaches people that are having chronic illnesses 1492 01:31:53.545 --> 01:31:58.945 because of these fumes because when you're composting not just compost but plastics 1493 01:31:58.945 --> 01:31:59.285 and 1494 01:31:59.285 --> 01:32:04.985 styrofoam it is a toxic fume it's not compost so 1495 01:32:04.985 --> 01:32:07.405 just so everybody is clear on this 1496 01:32:07.405 --> 01:32:10.445 i can't say it enough do your own investigation 1497 01:32:10.679 --> 01:32:12.899 I have. I've been in everybody's 1498 01:32:12.899 --> 01:32:14.819 yards. I couldn't have eaten a steak 1499 01:32:14.819 --> 01:32:16.619 on their patio. I spent 1500 01:32:16.619 --> 01:32:18.819 three years trying to be 1501 01:32:19.419 --> 01:32:20.799 making myself aware 1502 01:32:20.799 --> 01:32:22.799 and as an old lady I learned more about 1503 01:32:22.799 --> 01:32:24.559 composting than I ever needed to know. 1504 01:32:25.139 --> 01:32:26.819 So, and I know where 1505 01:32:26.819 --> 01:32:28.739 it's going wrong. It's too 1506 01:32:28.739 --> 01:32:30.079 big. You're right. 1507 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:32.959 100%. That little space 1508 01:32:32.959 --> 01:32:34.179 should be just little. 1509 01:32:34.959 --> 01:32:36.859 And now I'll shut up. 1510 01:32:38.754 --> 01:32:43.854 This is clearly a hot topic, and basically, and I think we're all very 1511 01:32:43.854 --> 01:32:48.334 passionate that we're not okay with what's going on with spirals. 1512 01:32:48.534 --> 01:32:52.354 But my question is, okay, so we heard from Melody. 1513 01:32:52.714 --> 01:32:55.694 Okay, so we understand your stance on that. 1514 01:32:55.914 --> 01:32:57.734 Most of the government lawyers totally get it. 1515 01:32:58.014 --> 01:33:00.594 You guys are all three just being thrown into the fire on this. 1516 01:33:00.774 --> 01:33:01.674 We heard from Dennis. 1517 01:33:01.994 --> 01:33:06.554 Love that you're loving the, um, let's come up with solutions. 1518 01:33:07.408 --> 01:33:11.328 I mean, we've got a few that are not legal, so we're going to love that. 1519 01:33:12.388 --> 01:33:13.368 You've got to be legal. 1520 01:33:14.068 --> 01:33:19.228 I would love to actually, if it's okay, I would just love to hear, and it's okay if you don't know about 1521 01:33:19.228 --> 01:33:23.388 the issue, but I would love to hear you maybe just speak on. 1522 01:33:23.548 --> 01:33:26.088 This is probably the most I've actually heard about it. 1523 01:33:26.748 --> 01:33:29.588 Quite literally, you guys speaking, and that's kind of what I want. 1524 01:33:30.068 --> 01:33:31.548 I want to hear stuff like that. 1525 01:33:31.868 --> 01:33:34.208 So, I can't speak yet. 1526 01:33:34.903 --> 01:33:40.043 But what I now want to do is go into your neighborhood and see how bad it smells, because you pointed out a smell. 1527 01:33:41.303 --> 01:33:42.343 I've never been there. 1528 01:33:42.643 --> 01:33:43.623 I haven't gone there. 1529 01:33:43.843 --> 01:33:45.523 I want to go see what you guys are talking about. 1530 01:33:46.183 --> 01:33:47.863 Why don't you all come to my house? 1531 01:33:47.983 --> 01:33:49.223 I live right next door, though. 1532 01:33:49.803 --> 01:33:51.023 You guys want to get this place? 1533 01:33:51.123 --> 01:33:51.923 Come to my house. 1534 01:33:52.303 --> 01:33:57.603 Come on a look from a bird's eye view of what we look at every day and have birds drop a shit car 1535 01:33:57.603 --> 01:33:57.843 yard. 1536 01:33:58.163 --> 01:34:01.483 Is this you that was on the video that I saw before? 1537 01:34:02.977 --> 01:34:04.797 That totally goes down. 1538 01:34:05.017 --> 01:34:06.137 That is unbelievable. 1539 01:34:07.717 --> 01:34:08.777 Dude, I love it. 1540 01:34:09.157 --> 01:34:10.517 I definitely love to do that. 1541 01:34:10.597 --> 01:34:11.997 I kind of want to see both sides of things. 1542 01:34:12.997 --> 01:34:16.517 So I can't say anything 1543 01:34:16.897 --> 01:34:17.697 until I see it. 1544 01:34:18.557 --> 01:34:19.077 Well, you're welcome. 1545 01:34:19.817 --> 01:34:20.557 Right on, man. 1546 01:34:20.877 --> 01:34:21.837 You send me the email? 1547 01:34:22.537 --> 01:34:23.917 Go ahead and email me that address. 1548 01:34:24.117 --> 01:34:24.637 I'd love to come over. 1549 01:34:25.897 --> 01:34:28.017 Do all three of you want to come for a safe visit? 1550 01:34:29.457 --> 01:34:30.037 Pardon me? 1551 01:34:30.177 --> 01:34:30.977 Would you all like to... 1552 01:34:31.052 --> 01:34:36.132 come for a visit? I've been there. You've never been to my house though? I've 1553 01:34:36.132 --> 01:34:36.412 been to 1554 01:34:36.412 --> 01:34:42.152 Spa Hills and I was there probably 15 years ago. Come 1555 01:34:42.152 --> 01:34:46.572 to our house and see what we see. 1556 01:34:47.312 --> 01:34:51.612 Because you know when you go to Spa Hills, you see about this much of it. When you come 1557 01:34:51.612 --> 01:34:56.212 to our house, you see the whole thing. And you see the birds flying over. And you see 1558 01:34:56.212 --> 01:34:59.052 the wildlife that's dropping shit in our yard. And you see 1559 01:34:59.127 --> 01:35:04.227 smell it because it comes up the hill. It doesn't smell as bad down 1560 01:35:04.227 --> 01:35:05.267 at his place. It 1561 01:35:05.267 --> 01:35:10.947 reeks at our place. And mine. Mine is horrible. I 1562 01:35:10.947 --> 01:35:14.807 think any one of you that are willing to 1563 01:35:14.807 --> 01:35:19.887 actually go to Denise's house, because that really is ground zero in a lot of ways, any 1564 01:35:19.887 --> 01:35:25.147 one of you willing to do that impresses the shit out of all of us. So we would appreciate 1565 01:35:25.147 --> 01:35:27.067 that. Yeah, please. Email. 1566 01:35:27.201 --> 01:35:32.281 your address. When we leave here today, email it, and then I'll get it in minutes. As soon 1567 01:35:32.281 --> 01:35:36.801 as I get signals, my signals are really, really bad here for whatever reason. I'm taking notes, 1568 01:35:36.961 --> 01:35:42.101 just, I'm not on my phone. I'll take a silver green. My last question, who's still 1569 01:35:42.101 --> 01:35:42.661 wearing it? 1570 01:35:42.901 --> 01:35:48.261 Yeah. So, I 1571 01:35:48.261 --> 01:35:53.341 agree. I have a question. So, say, if you go to the court and one 1572 01:35:53.341 --> 01:35:53.741 of you guys 1573 01:35:53.741 --> 01:35:55.201 get it in, then you go to the court and you go to the court and you go to the court. 1574 01:35:55.276 --> 01:36:00.896 please, or whatever, and says, I'll get a thermal solar surface, and 1575 01:36:00.896 --> 01:36:05.916 will you guys give me an expansion to the bylaw to say whatever he's been applying for, would 1576 01:36:05.916 --> 01:36:08.036 you back that, or would you be against that? 1577 01:36:08.876 --> 01:36:09.596 The size. 1578 01:36:09.796 --> 01:36:12.016 I mean, he's been applying for multiple sizes. 1579 01:36:12.276 --> 01:36:17.816 Yeah, but this is individually, would you back him on the size, if he got kind of semi -regulation, 1580 01:36:17.936 --> 01:36:20.876 like if he went to court and said he's playing with them, 1581 01:36:20.876 --> 01:36:23.236 and said, if I can work with Caesar V, God. 1582 01:36:23.350 --> 01:36:28.710 some things checked off the list would you guys back him that for 1583 01:36:28.710 --> 01:36:30.390 that size of compost facility 1584 01:36:30.390 --> 01:36:35.790 that he needs to run i can't give you an answer to that well why the csrd 1585 01:36:35.790 --> 01:36:38.010 has hired staff they 1586 01:36:38.010 --> 01:36:42.990 would investigate that they would make a report to the board they'd make a report to the board 1587 01:36:42.990 --> 01:36:48.110 with recommendations and the board would consider it based on the feedback they get from 1588 01:36:48.110 --> 01:36:48.270 their 1589 01:36:48.270 --> 01:36:50.590 constituents and that would influence 1590 01:36:51.425 --> 01:36:53.945 whether anybody on that board backs it or not. 1591 01:36:55.405 --> 01:36:58.685 That's the way local governments work. 1592 01:36:59.085 --> 01:37:03.045 It has to be part of a process, 1593 01:37:03.865 --> 01:37:07.105 not some individual coming up with an opinion 1594 01:37:07.105 --> 01:37:09.105 on whether they'll support it or not. 1595 01:37:12.045 --> 01:37:14.385 I don't know enough about it. 1596 01:37:15.645 --> 01:37:19.265 I'm curious, I'm sorry, can you clarify 1597 01:37:19.499 --> 01:37:24.519 So if either of you guys get in, obviously you're going to be in when this is all 1598 01:37:24.519 --> 01:37:29.539 going in the courts, and he goes there and says, if I can work, please, with the federal or provincial courts, 1599 01:37:30.019 --> 01:37:35.279 if I can work with the CSRD, I do some updates to my facility, and 1600 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:40.319 if you guys back him for the size that he needs to be, he's 1601 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.719 already applied for the, what's it called? 1602 01:37:44.139 --> 01:37:46.679 No, but like the size of his compost for the bile. 1603 01:37:58.474 --> 01:38:03.634 I'm not going to give an opinion, nor am I going to answer a suggestion by the owner of that 1604 01:38:03.634 --> 01:38:08.734 business about whether or not I'm going to propose anything, because I'm going to be making 1605 01:38:08.734 --> 01:38:13.954 a decision as part of a regional district board, and it's the board that makes a decision, 1606 01:38:14.174 --> 01:38:15.234 a decision by a 1607 01:38:15.648 --> 01:38:20.848 a board is a decision by all of its members and every one of its members 1608 01:38:20.848 --> 01:38:21.628 has to abide 1609 01:38:21.628 --> 01:38:27.428 by the board decision. An individual electoral politician is 1610 01:38:27.428 --> 01:38:29.768 not able to make a decision on 1611 01:38:29.768 --> 01:38:35.528 behalf of the board or express an opinion on behalf of the board. I 1612 01:38:35.528 --> 01:38:37.008 actually want to ask something 1613 01:38:37.008 --> 01:38:42.408 that that leads to. I want to see leadership from my 1614 01:38:42.408 --> 01:38:43.448 representatives. 1615 01:38:43.723 --> 01:38:49.363 on the board and that's what he's asking and i 1616 01:38:49.363 --> 01:38:53.143 will say i've watched this i'm not here so i'm 1617 01:38:53.143 --> 01:38:58.123 not involved in it but i've watched i've listened to almost all the csrd meetings and so i'm aware 1618 01:38:58.123 --> 01:39:03.303 of the issue and i've listened to some of the issues behind the 1619 01:39:03.303 --> 01:39:06.463 local level um i don't think 1620 01:39:06.463 --> 01:39:11.623 the csrd would approve an expansion but if they did i 1621 01:39:11.797 --> 01:39:17.037 I would expect whoever is representing this area to stand up 1622 01:39:17.037 --> 01:39:22.157 and say, do not, even if the CSRD administration says, I 1623 01:39:22.157 --> 01:39:27.657 would expect whoever represents me to stand 1624 01:39:27.657 --> 01:39:30.437 up and lead. 1625 01:39:30.477 --> 01:39:35.617 And I want that on so many other issues. I see zero leadership in this 1626 01:39:35.617 --> 01:39:39.757 area. I mean, the Shushua, the city, I know. 1627 01:39:39.872 --> 01:39:45.212 so sick of no leadership. We're following everybody else. 1628 01:39:45.392 --> 01:39:47.232 And everybody else is blind. 1629 01:39:47.232 --> 01:39:52.352 I'm sorry. I want to touch on this. This is nagging me quite a bit. If he said, I've 1630 01:39:52.352 --> 01:39:56.132 got some of this done, would you back me up? I'm not even going to consider it until I 1631 01:39:56.132 --> 01:40:01.152 see everything done. Everything I was handed to him that he had to comply with, I 1632 01:40:01.152 --> 01:40:01.392 wouldn't 1633 01:40:01.392 --> 01:40:05.932 even justify it with an answer. It would be a complete dismissal. I hope that answers 1634 01:40:05.932 --> 01:40:07.412 what you're asking. I think that is fantastic. 1635 01:40:09.146 --> 01:40:14.166 I get to the point, like I always said, like the 1636 01:40:14.166 --> 01:40:19.206 CSRD was the best area to live in, until the last few years 1637 01:40:19.206 --> 01:40:25.086 where they've gotten more rules, when they wanted to bring in the building 1638 01:40:25.086 --> 01:40:28.526 codes, they told us we had no choice, it was coming in. 1639 01:40:28.526 --> 01:40:33.706 Well, we found out different, and we got it tossed, right? So 1640 01:40:33.706 --> 01:40:35.946 there's, on the left, 1641 01:40:36.021 --> 01:40:41.661 employees in that office that are trying to push so we need a representative 1642 01:40:41.661 --> 01:40:47.301 that's going to push back against those guys and also the guy at 1643 01:40:47.301 --> 01:40:48.141 Solista the 1644 01:40:48.141 --> 01:40:53.121 representative he stayed back and helped fight those fires they ran through the 1645 01:40:53.121 --> 01:40:57.121 coals in that office yeah so we don't want that we want somebody that's going 1646 01:40:57.121 --> 01:41:02.081 to go in there and say you guys work for the people and we represent the people 1647 01:41:02.081 --> 01:41:03.341 so you work for us 1648 01:41:04.835 --> 01:41:09.695 That's what I'm getting at. Well, that's our rule. Exactly. We all recognize that. 1649 01:41:09.955 --> 01:41:13.975 Our rule is to be employed. You're going to read the paper from the people pushing it. 1650 01:41:14.135 --> 01:41:19.435 Of course I'm going to read the technical papers, but I'm also going to listen to my 1651 01:41:19.435 --> 01:41:19.975 constituents 1652 01:41:19.975 --> 01:41:24.115 and carry their sentiments forward. That's our job. That's what we're saying. 1653 01:41:24.295 --> 01:41:29.415 We're saying that that hasn't been happening. It seems like the bureaucrats 1654 01:41:29.415 --> 01:41:32.095 in there seem to be squashing our representatives. 1655 01:41:32.970 --> 01:41:38.150 we haven't like nothing but you guys so whoever we want to put in 1656 01:41:38.150 --> 01:41:39.410 there we want somebody that's 1657 01:41:39.410 --> 01:41:44.590 going to say no you guys work for me because i work for the people yes 1658 01:41:44.590 --> 01:41:45.850 that's we need in that 1659 01:41:45.850 --> 01:41:51.210 office you know it comes down to majority rules and 1660 01:41:51.210 --> 01:41:54.130 if you pull the neighborhood you're in charge 1661 01:41:54.130 --> 01:41:59.050 of the constituents unless i miss something there'll be a massive amount of neighbors that 1662 01:41:59.050 --> 01:42:00.050 are affected by this 1663 01:42:00.244 --> 01:42:05.284 adversely outweigh that one business. And there's other businesses 1664 01:42:05.284 --> 01:42:11.724 too. There's way farmers, there's farm 1665 01:42:11.724 --> 01:42:16.784 gate guys that sell vegetables and stuff. And there, there's a riding 1666 01:42:16.784 --> 01:42:21.864 stable that I've talked to the parents while their little darlings learning to ride. They sit 1667 01:42:21.864 --> 01:42:27.004 in their car with Vicks in their nose because they can't stand the smell and they wonder 1668 01:42:27.004 --> 01:42:28.184 what the heck is there a dead? 1669 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:33.679 dog next door you know so no this is it full stop 1670 01:42:33.679 --> 01:42:36.879 it has to come to an end so the next guy 1671 01:42:36.879 --> 01:42:42.019 can't be a politician and want to read the briefs 1672 01:42:42.019 --> 01:42:45.139 and do this and do that it's a shitter get off 1673 01:42:45.139 --> 01:42:50.179 the pot time and Aaron Brockovich can say that so it's me saying 1674 01:42:50.179 --> 01:42:52.339 that right we're at the 11th hour 1675 01:42:52.339 --> 01:42:55.359 I understand that you you guys are not 1676 01:42:56.393 --> 01:43:01.553 the issue but I'm pretty objective about it not living here yeah I'm also a 1677 01:43:01.553 --> 01:43:06.353 business consultant you're so I tend to be you know sympathetic to small 1678 01:43:06.353 --> 01:43:11.313 businesses and I will say with this issue the community is completely in the 1679 01:43:11.313 --> 01:43:16.753 right and I don't really understand why the CSRD 1680 01:43:16.753 --> 01:43:18.413 did not listen because I in 1681 01:43:18.413 --> 01:43:22.673 general I have seen them to be much more progressive lately than they used to be 1682 01:43:22.673 --> 01:43:24.313 we'll leave 1683 01:43:24.468 --> 01:43:29.728 You know, like, I don't think that they really knew that it had grown to this size until 1684 01:43:29.728 --> 01:43:34.908 people started really complaining about it, and I think they kind of weren't really listening for a while, 1685 01:43:34.948 --> 01:43:38.648 and then all of a sudden they're like, holy smokes, you better do something about it. 1686 01:43:38.768 --> 01:43:43.868 So that, I mean, I really see, across all 1687 01:43:43.868 --> 01:43:49.048 local governments, communication is a huge issue, 1688 01:43:49.208 --> 01:43:50.688 both ways, right? 1689 01:43:50.948 --> 01:43:52.468 So the community is not being... 1690 01:43:52.542 --> 01:43:57.602 heard by the csrd the csrd is not being heard by the 1691 01:43:57.602 --> 01:44:00.102 community like what's going on in there 1692 01:44:00.102 --> 01:44:05.162 they're not communicating it back to the people very well but from what 1693 01:44:05.162 --> 01:44:07.122 i've seen the community 1694 01:44:07.122 --> 01:44:12.162 is completely in the right and this business is way off course it should be 1695 01:44:12.162 --> 01:44:14.122 removed and shut down 1696 01:44:14.122 --> 01:44:19.402 with the recognition that we really need composting yeah right 1697 01:44:19.402 --> 01:44:20.442 that that's 1698 01:44:20.617 --> 01:44:25.977 given, but I'm not saying, you know, it's, but, and I totally respect, I 1699 01:44:25.977 --> 01:44:26.457 know you guys 1700 01:44:26.457 --> 01:44:31.577 are at the end of your ropes, but I totally respect having to explore the issue, 1701 01:44:31.877 --> 01:44:32.877 but I'm 1702 01:44:32.877 --> 01:44:38.577 just telling you, as, as someone watching it, they're, they have, like, 1703 01:44:39.217 --> 01:44:40.277 yeah, there's 1704 01:44:40.277 --> 01:44:45.377 enough to do with composting facilities that have opened in Cowboys and in Kelowna 1705 01:44:45.377 --> 01:44:45.657 now, 1706 01:44:45.817 --> 01:44:47.697 his trucks can drive in a different direction. 1707 01:44:48.691 --> 01:44:53.851 be they could make the order bang to say no more shut it down clean it up okay 1708 01:44:53.851 --> 01:44:55.031 that would be 1709 01:44:55.031 --> 01:44:59.631 supporting the neighbors and supporting the community and once it was down to a baseline 1710 01:44:59.631 --> 01:45:04.611 they could then go in there and decide after the health department really takes a look at it and 1711 01:45:04.611 --> 01:45:09.691 assesses for toxic waste is it even doable to start a 1712 01:45:09.691 --> 01:45:11.911 small enterprise and this is what we need 1713 01:45:11.911 --> 01:45:16.531 to be built before you bring in any garbage okay 1714 01:45:16.766 --> 01:45:22.786 So, that's how I would handle it. But then, I'm 1715 01:45:22.786 --> 01:45:23.326 not using it. 1716 01:45:23.826 --> 01:45:25.466 Do you have a question, Taffy? Sorry? 1717 01:45:25.566 --> 01:45:30.706 I really do feel that the CSRD, they know because they put 1718 01:45:30.706 --> 01:45:31.586 in regulations 1719 01:45:31.586 --> 01:45:36.726 and Spa Hills has been following those regulations that the 1720 01:45:36.726 --> 01:45:38.966 CRD has been telling them to have to do. 1721 01:45:39.146 --> 01:45:44.766 Because they haul compost and your recycling... 1722 01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:50.000 garbage. They haul up the cantons already, which is costing them a lot more money. 1723 01:45:50.740 --> 01:45:51.340 And 1724 01:45:51.340 --> 01:45:56.520 so, and they bring in wood chips from other places like Unshown, Saw Mill, 1725 01:45:56.780 --> 01:45:57.820 and the Berman, 1726 01:45:58.280 --> 01:46:03.400 where they have their wood chip compost up on the hill, they haul 1727 01:46:03.400 --> 01:46:04.640 back in there also 1728 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:09.660 to help up here on Spa Hills. But this Sierra's 1729 01:46:09.660 --> 01:46:11.700 D, they know already. 1730 01:46:12.915 --> 01:46:16.935 can't say they don't know what's going on because they know they're putting in regulations 1731 01:46:16.935 --> 01:46:22.055 that Spa Hills has been followed. And if every one 1732 01:46:22.055 --> 01:46:25.175 of us were to say, this is my business 1733 01:46:25.175 --> 01:46:30.595 and I've heard all these complaints, what would we do 1734 01:46:30.595 --> 01:46:33.315 individually? I've heard a lot 1735 01:46:33.315 --> 01:46:38.555 of people say what should be done, but if that was your business and 1736 01:46:38.555 --> 01:46:39.175 you were up and 1737 01:46:39.175 --> 01:46:40.795 after, what would you do? 1738 01:46:40.989 --> 01:46:46.489 How would you change that? You can't take it to somebody else who's done, because 1739 01:46:46.489 --> 01:46:48.989 they're all going to say, no, I'm in my bathroom. 1740 01:46:49.269 --> 01:46:54.329 You know, when it first opened for five years, it was fine. And it was run by the 1741 01:46:54.329 --> 01:46:54.789 other brother. 1742 01:46:55.149 --> 01:46:59.989 And then it changed. And it brought in garbage from all over. 1743 01:47:00.289 --> 01:47:05.589 The enterprise grew from a small -based community composting facility 1744 01:47:05.589 --> 01:47:08.309 to a commercial facility. 1745 01:47:09.064 --> 01:47:11.064 So that's where the wheels went off the cart. 1746 01:47:11.244 --> 01:47:12.264 From everybody's yard? 1747 01:47:12.944 --> 01:47:14.744 We don't need can loops. 1748 01:47:15.004 --> 01:47:17.844 We don't need colomas garbage in our area. 1749 01:47:18.024 --> 01:47:20.384 If you shut it down here, where are they? 1750 01:47:20.684 --> 01:47:23.304 Well, they built in those units down. 1751 01:47:23.404 --> 01:47:23.944 It'll go there. 1752 01:47:24.344 --> 01:47:25.764 Thank you. 1753 01:47:26.744 --> 01:47:28.604 I have one other question. 1754 01:47:28.824 --> 01:47:31.004 Did you have another question about this? 1755 01:47:32.684 --> 01:47:35.084 I just had one other email that came in 1756 01:47:35.084 --> 01:47:36.464 that I wanted to just bring up. 1757 01:47:37.139 --> 01:47:38.799 Yeah, we could talk all night about this. 1758 01:47:38.899 --> 01:47:39.579 Yeah, I know, you're right. 1759 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.639 Okay, so here's the next email. 1760 01:47:44.999 --> 01:47:47.499 Unfortunately, okay, I can't attend. 1761 01:47:48.179 --> 01:47:50.879 Have you ever, this is a question for all of the candidates, 1762 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.659 have you ever visited or volunteered at the Falkland Museum? 1763 01:47:53.899 --> 01:47:55.379 If so, how and when? 1764 01:47:57.159 --> 01:47:59.839 Have any of you volunteered at the Falkland Museum? 1765 01:47:59.939 --> 01:48:04.079 I've spent there, I already did say president two and a half times. 1766 01:48:06.033 --> 01:48:11.373 Yeah, now I'm back on the board there as the director of special events, so I definitely have, 1767 01:48:11.493 --> 01:48:14.373 that place has a special place in my heart. It's my favorite place in town. 1768 01:48:16.313 --> 01:48:17.273 Awesome. Yeah. 1769 01:48:17.473 --> 01:48:22.573 Well, I certainly visited it, and when I was a regional district director before in 1770 01:48:22.573 --> 01:48:27.053 March, Elodie was the president. I think she was the president. 1771 01:48:29.073 --> 01:48:33.153 I provided a grant to me for it, and we chatted a lot today. 1772 01:48:33.288 --> 01:48:38.468 I did what I could to help the museum. I have visited the museum, and I've 1773 01:48:38.468 --> 01:48:43.868 been there for open houses, and my son has even played music there in his chemical grad. 1774 01:48:44.688 --> 01:48:49.948 He played music there, and it's a terrific little place 1775 01:48:49.948 --> 01:48:51.868 to walk through and see all the lovely artifacts. 1776 01:48:52.348 --> 01:48:57.608 It's an excellent, well -structured museum. It's really worth visiting for 1777 01:48:57.608 --> 01:49:01.288 everybody, because you can see the history of Faulkland from a small... 1778 01:49:01.362 --> 01:49:06.582 community and what's done to become itself by 1779 01:49:06.582 --> 01:49:07.882 being here. 1780 01:49:08.342 --> 01:49:13.202 Awesome, thank you. I've never volunteered, but I use the space for my Tai Chi classes, 1781 01:49:13.702 --> 01:49:18.942 so I do make donations to the museum as the exchange, 1782 01:49:19.062 --> 01:49:21.442 I guess, that we do ourselves. 1783 01:49:21.942 --> 01:49:24.162 Awesome, and then she had two more questions. 1784 01:49:24.382 --> 01:49:29.142 Do you think the museum is important to Falkland, and what do you plan to do to support the museum? 1785 01:49:29.437 --> 01:49:31.117 So that would be for all of you. 1786 01:49:31.677 --> 01:49:36.197 Do you think it's important, and what do you plan to do to support the museum? 1787 01:49:37.737 --> 01:49:42.077 It seems pretty obvious to me that, of course, I think the museum is important. 1788 01:49:42.377 --> 01:49:46.717 If you haven't been to the museum, it's actually adorable. It's so cute. 1789 01:49:47.077 --> 01:49:52.237 Anyways, and it is beautiful, and they do rentals, and it's a really nice space. 1790 01:49:52.517 --> 01:49:57.437 I think it's a great addition to... 1791 01:49:57.511 --> 01:50:02.731 Falkland's kind of historical like rodeo stuff and then it has like the Farm Museum and 1792 01:50:02.731 --> 01:50:03.351 it's a really 1793 01:50:04.371 --> 01:50:09.571 it's a really wonderful place. I would love to do more grants of aid for 1794 01:50:09.571 --> 01:50:10.431 the museum because 1795 01:50:10.431 --> 01:50:15.611 I know they really struggled this year to get any of them, so I'd definitely help with stuff 1796 01:50:15.611 --> 01:50:16.111 like that. 1797 01:50:18.531 --> 01:50:21.231 A museum defines the character of Falkland. 1798 01:50:22.011 --> 01:50:22.831 Here we go. 1799 01:50:25.586 --> 01:50:31.206 about that. Tourists driving through should 1800 01:50:31.206 --> 01:50:33.046 be attracted to the museum to have a look 1801 01:50:33.046 --> 01:50:36.546 and see what this little community is all about, because there isn't very many little 1802 01:50:36.546 --> 01:50:41.686 one -horse communities around anymore. It's just that you can step in there and 1803 01:50:41.686 --> 01:50:43.286 have a 1804 01:50:43.286 --> 01:50:48.446 look around, and it kind of brings back a nostalgia, a story that Grandpa 1805 01:50:48.446 --> 01:50:49.126 told you about 1806 01:50:49.126 --> 01:50:52.366 when he grew up in a small town. 1807 01:50:53.660 --> 01:50:54.720 It's a great place. 1808 01:50:54.940 --> 01:50:59.020 And I'll certainly help it. I'll certainly support it as a regional director for sure. 1809 01:50:59.320 --> 01:51:03.660 And I'll certainly visit it again. I mean, they have open houses. I'd go to those things. 1810 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:05.460 Yeah, it's a great place to host things. 1811 01:51:05.980 --> 01:51:09.400 Oh, I'd definitely support it, but I would have to abstain from any voting. 1812 01:51:10.180 --> 01:51:12.480 Just because I have such close ties to it. 1813 01:51:13.440 --> 01:51:18.460 But I will echo Melanie, and it's a sentiment that if you haven't been there, stop in, say hi, 1814 01:51:18.860 --> 01:51:19.740 just take in the scenery. 1815 01:51:20.380 --> 01:51:21.180 It's beautiful. 1816 01:51:22.375 --> 01:51:24.295 We want just peace and pride, that's the place. 1817 01:51:26.075 --> 01:51:27.515 Does anyone have any other questions? 1818 01:51:29.195 --> 01:51:34.215 So if you guys are elected in, are you guys prepared for the amount 1819 01:51:34.215 --> 01:51:35.195 of time that's going 1820 01:51:35.195 --> 01:51:37.275 to take to do your job? 1821 01:51:38.535 --> 01:51:42.375 So I was a foreign leader for many years, and it took a lot of time. 1822 01:51:42.875 --> 01:51:46.235 And luckily my kids were in for each, so I had the time to spend with my kids. 1823 01:51:46.455 --> 01:51:49.735 But like, Melanie, I know you have a seven-year-old. 1824 01:51:52.229 --> 01:51:53.609 I'm a 11-year-old, yep. 1825 01:51:55.489 --> 01:51:57.729 And yours are all grown up, so... 1826 01:51:57.729 --> 01:52:00.229 Yeah, I just don't know, I don't know why you're looking after that, that's it. 1827 01:52:03.229 --> 01:52:05.809 So, are you guys prepared 1828 01:52:06.649 --> 01:52:09.549 for the amount of time that you're going to have to 1829 01:52:10.809 --> 01:52:13.989 spend being the director because I think 1830 01:52:13.989 --> 01:52:17.529 that it's really important that you're really involved. 1831 01:52:17.884 --> 01:52:22.904 the things that happen within the community, and when we need to go to a meeting 1832 01:52:22.904 --> 01:52:23.564 in a night, 1833 01:52:23.824 --> 01:52:28.904 like if you're busy at night, you can't miss those meetings, you're going to be away all 1834 01:52:28.904 --> 01:52:34.104 weekends, and so, and I know how important family time is too, you 1835 01:52:34.104 --> 01:52:35.164 know, and we certainly 1836 01:52:35.164 --> 01:52:40.384 don't want you to feel like you're being taken away from your house, because that's 1837 01:52:40.384 --> 01:52:41.344 pretty important. 1838 01:52:41.604 --> 01:52:45.744 Depending on the level of commitment that's required, because I did the job before, and 1839 01:52:45.958 --> 01:52:51.138 I really did enjoy doing that and it 1840 01:52:51.138 --> 01:52:56.258 turns into a bit of a passion if you enjoy it and I 1841 01:52:56.258 --> 01:53:01.478 enjoy it and I'll go anywhere that I'm invited. I've said this before and I'm saying it now. I'll 1842 01:53:01.478 --> 01:53:06.858 go anywhere that I'm invited to. To hear what people have to say, to talk about things 1843 01:53:06.858 --> 01:53:11.918 that the community wants and carry that sentiment 1844 01:53:11.918 --> 01:53:13.958 forward because that's the work that we're doing. 1845 01:53:14.033 --> 01:53:19.073 And that's what we're paid to do, is carry the sentiment of community forward to the regional district board on 1846 01:53:19.073 --> 01:53:20.073 any type of issue. 1847 01:53:22.373 --> 01:53:27.473 I've actually thought quite a lot about this, because even just this kind 1848 01:53:27.473 --> 01:53:29.713 of, I'm going to call this a learning experience, 1849 01:53:30.173 --> 01:53:33.333 even this kind of learning experience takes a lot of time. 1850 01:53:35.973 --> 01:53:41.073 Currently, I actually have a part -time job, but I already am planning to not 1851 01:53:41.073 --> 01:53:41.933 have that job anymore. 1852 01:53:42.107 --> 01:53:47.427 So this would be my biggest time -consuming thing outside 1853 01:53:47.427 --> 01:53:49.047 of having my daughter, who's seven. 1854 01:53:51.207 --> 01:53:56.287 I live on the same property as my parents, and they're super supportive also of me doing 1855 01:53:56.287 --> 01:53:56.667 this. 1856 01:53:56.947 --> 01:53:59.847 And so we've had a lot of these discussions. 1857 01:54:00.227 --> 01:54:05.367 They're on board to take over dance duties and stuff like that, 1858 01:54:05.407 --> 01:54:07.147 if that is something that's required. 1859 01:54:07.567 --> 01:54:10.007 How many hours a week is involved in that? 1860 01:54:10.182 --> 01:54:12.122 position? Mom? 1861 01:54:12.582 --> 01:54:13.882 How many hours a week 1862 01:54:13.882 --> 01:54:21.302 do you guys 1863 01:54:21.302 --> 01:54:22.042 have to put in 1864 01:54:22.042 --> 01:54:23.022 if you are elected? 1865 01:54:23.602 --> 01:54:26.162 I actually don't know. I don't know that there's 1866 01:54:26.162 --> 01:54:28.422 a type of requirement. 1867 01:54:28.962 --> 01:54:29.982 My question isn't 1868 01:54:29.982 --> 01:54:31.702 asking if you can do it. 1869 01:54:32.242 --> 01:54:34.202 Do you know what you're getting 1870 01:54:34.202 --> 01:54:34.842 yourself into? 1871 01:54:35.602 --> 01:54:38.062 How does anyone that's never done it before 1872 01:54:38.256 --> 01:54:42.576 know what they're getting. So it might be a really good idea for you three to talk and 1873 01:54:42.576 --> 01:54:48.096 get from Dennis to know what is actually involved. Because right now, I 1874 01:54:48.096 --> 01:54:49.636 was going to say Maria 1875 01:54:49.636 --> 01:54:54.796 about it also, yes. I definitely want to add to this and say 1876 01:54:54.796 --> 01:54:56.656 I do know both former Director 1877 01:54:56.656 --> 01:55:01.116 Talbot as well as Director Trumbly. Dean was a friend of mine for a long time. We still 1878 01:55:01.116 --> 01:55:06.176 keep in contact. Before I made the decision to do this, I picked both their brains and 1879 01:55:06.331 --> 01:55:08.311 if I was not comfortable, and I could not 1880 01:55:08.311 --> 01:55:10.451 commit, I wouldn't be here in front of you all today. 1881 01:55:10.511 --> 01:55:11.371 Well, this is a question. Yeah. 1882 01:55:11.791 --> 01:55:14.291 Because, you know, you're going to get into it, and you're going to be 1883 01:55:14.291 --> 01:55:16.311 pulled at every angle. There's lots of things 1884 01:55:16.311 --> 01:55:18.471 going on. And I have so much 1885 01:55:18.471 --> 01:55:20.391 to learn, also. Like, you and I 1886 01:55:20.391 --> 01:55:21.971 have had this conversation already, 1887 01:55:22.471 --> 01:55:24.411 that if I do get 1888 01:55:24.411 --> 01:55:26.311 this position, I have a lot 1889 01:55:26.311 --> 01:55:28.251 to learn, and that's, I can't be 1890 01:55:28.251 --> 01:55:29.951 egotistical about that. Like, 1891 01:55:30.171 --> 01:55:31.751 I totally 1892 01:55:31.751 --> 01:55:34.111 can 100% say I would have 1893 01:55:34.405 --> 01:55:39.485 to learn but i also love stuff like that and i think i would really thrive in it 1894 01:55:39.485 --> 01:55:41.205 so just the 1895 01:55:41.205 --> 01:55:46.305 one how many hours what would you say maria oh 1896 01:55:46.305 --> 01:55:50.445 i mean it all varies i mean every area varies and 1897 01:55:50.445 --> 01:55:55.485 then issues come up and you're hosting wildfire meetings over the weekend like 1898 01:55:55.485 --> 01:55:56.305 we've done here 1899 01:55:56.305 --> 01:56:01.425 um you just can't really predict actually how many hours it's going to take 1900 01:56:01.425 --> 01:56:02.225 and i mean 1901 01:56:03.820 --> 01:56:09.040 things come up and you have to go to meetings like this and zoning changes and people 1902 01:56:09.040 --> 01:56:09.420 want you 1903 01:56:09.420 --> 01:56:14.500 at their meetings and UBCM and traveling and all the board meetings and all the 1904 01:56:14.500 --> 01:56:15.200 subcommittees 1905 01:56:15.200 --> 01:56:20.240 and all it's a lot of hours I mean it depends how how much 1906 01:56:20.240 --> 01:56:21.360 you're going to put into it too 1907 01:56:22.060 --> 01:56:27.100 you know some directors really do a great job and they're very connected to the community 1908 01:56:27.100 --> 01:56:30.240 and they communicate and they go to all the meetings and the pancake 1909 01:56:30.554 --> 01:56:35.594 and everything else and then others don't. So, I mean if you're 1910 01:56:35.594 --> 01:56:38.074 going to do a good job, it's going to be a full -time job. 1911 01:56:38.914 --> 01:56:42.334 How many hours in each that you give? That would be the... 1912 01:56:42.334 --> 01:56:44.814 I'm still at pancake breakfasts, honestly. 1913 01:56:45.114 --> 01:56:46.154 Yeah, just saying. 1914 01:56:46.714 --> 01:56:51.974 Yeah, it said pancakes and so on and then the stomach took over, 1915 01:56:52.194 --> 01:56:53.034 so... 1916 01:56:53.034 --> 01:56:58.234 I'm available. I'm basically retired. I do a little bit of casual work from 1917 01:56:58.234 --> 01:56:58.434 Thailand. 1918 01:56:58.629 --> 01:57:03.889 time in Vernon, but I'm essentially retired. 1919 01:57:04.129 --> 01:57:07.689 I'm at home, my wife and I, and we spend a 1920 01:57:07.689 --> 01:57:14.509 lot of time communicating with our children and, you know, talking about, just 1921 01:57:14.509 --> 01:57:14.829 talking 1922 01:57:14.829 --> 01:57:19.849 about stuff. But, you know, there's nothing that's going to, 1923 01:57:19.849 --> 01:57:21.629 look, if you want to phone 1924 01:57:21.629 --> 01:57:24.569 me at 2 a.m. talking about something, well, listen. 1925 01:57:28.183 --> 01:57:32.603 I was like, I don't know that I can say that. 1926 01:57:33.383 --> 01:57:38.063 And there's burning yard 16 hours a day, so we've got, like, no time yet. 1927 01:57:42.463 --> 01:57:45.303 Are you able to put in full time if needed? 1928 01:57:46.643 --> 01:57:48.543 I think that's what people ask. 1929 01:57:50.323 --> 01:57:51.403 Any other questions? 1930 01:57:51.743 --> 01:57:53.703 I have two. 1931 01:57:54.778 --> 01:57:56.078 I have done my easy one first. 1932 01:57:57.098 --> 01:58:02.278 It's just related to the bike path issue, and that is the bike races that 1933 01:58:02.278 --> 01:58:03.638 come up to South Creek all the time. 1934 01:58:04.538 --> 01:58:09.558 It's become a much, much, much bigger problem because the numbers attending 1935 01:58:09.558 --> 01:58:10.358 are bigger, 1936 01:58:10.658 --> 01:58:15.418 and our traffic here is probably a hundred times since they started doing it. 1937 01:58:15.658 --> 01:58:20.738 And being on an agricultural road when you're trying to drive by a 1938 01:58:20.738 --> 01:58:22.118 tractor or a horse trailer. 1939 01:58:22.852 --> 01:58:25.972 It's a nightmare. And somebody's going to get killed. It's super dangerous. 1940 01:58:27.812 --> 01:58:32.232 So, I don't really know how we go about getting that change. 1941 01:58:33.032 --> 01:58:36.692 Has anyone tried to contact the... 1942 01:58:37.412 --> 01:58:42.512 I mean, it's all different organizations. It's all, like, it's 1943 01:58:42.512 --> 01:58:43.152 all over the place. 1944 01:58:43.272 --> 01:58:48.552 Some people have to claim, yes, but I think we need a much more higher level in there, 1945 01:58:48.712 --> 01:58:50.852 kind of advocating, saying, hey, to all these resources. 1946 01:58:51.727 --> 01:58:55.227 It's just not safe anymore. This isn't where you want to come and stay. 1947 01:58:55.387 --> 01:59:00.747 I was kind of wondering if there was like a 1948 01:59:00.747 --> 01:59:05.867 designation for the roads, whether or not they 1949 01:59:05.867 --> 01:59:07.927 are appropriate for those kinds of things. 1950 01:59:08.187 --> 01:59:10.507 So that would have to be something that I would look into. 1951 01:59:10.767 --> 01:59:15.927 Because if this is designated as an appropriate road for a race, then that is definitely 1952 01:59:15.927 --> 01:59:17.327 something that should have changed. 1953 01:59:19.001 --> 01:59:23.261 I'm not sure, I don't know the answer to that question, but I agree with you, that sounds crazy. 1954 01:59:23.401 --> 01:59:25.361 Yeah, just something that I think needs to be on the radar for sure. 1955 01:59:26.121 --> 01:59:27.521 The other one's a little bit harder. 1956 01:59:27.981 --> 01:59:33.421 So in Area D, we have tons of different non -profits, community associations, 1957 01:59:33.841 --> 01:59:38.601 and everyone is dying for volunteers. 1958 01:59:39.341 --> 01:59:40.941 Everyone is dying for money. 1959 01:59:41.301 --> 01:59:43.681 All of our buildings are falling apart. 1960 01:59:44.121 --> 01:59:46.561 We did get some big checks of money, but I mean... 1961 01:59:47.076 --> 01:59:52.316 As you can see, even with this call, we got a little bit done, and there's still all this, but still means so much work. 1962 01:59:54.256 --> 01:59:59.956 How are you guys going to look at and evaluate where 1963 01:59:59.956 --> 02:00:01.296 the money is going to go, 1964 02:00:01.356 --> 02:00:07.236 and what are you going to do to try and drive community, spirit, 1965 02:00:07.536 --> 02:00:08.556 and membership again? 1966 02:00:08.836 --> 02:00:13.616 Because right now, there's life on, and there is, we're all dying, every area. 1967 02:00:15.150 --> 02:00:20.490 So the stuff I was reading recently, the CSRD budget is a certain amount of money for 1968 02:00:20.490 --> 02:00:25.670 grants and aid, and that's all that they make available for that year, so 1969 02:00:25.670 --> 02:00:27.710 we all have to argue for a piece of that money. 1970 02:00:29.110 --> 02:00:31.050 So that's a limit. 1971 02:00:32.030 --> 02:00:37.350 Well, there's like a set -off that we get, basically almost every organization 1972 02:00:37.350 --> 02:00:40.830 gets $10 ,000, is it still right now? $10 ,000 a year. 1973 02:00:40.830 --> 02:00:43.150 And then... 1974 02:00:43.225 --> 02:00:47.985 There is money over and over, and that's usually, and that needs to be bought out or decided. 1975 02:00:48.325 --> 02:00:53.065 The different directors handle it very differently, so one director would hold on to it 1976 02:00:53.065 --> 02:00:58.365 and cut it for a larger project down the road at some point, and then Dean 1977 02:00:58.365 --> 02:00:59.005 didn't. 1978 02:00:59.365 --> 02:01:01.805 He took a bunch of money and he debuted it all up. 1979 02:01:02.305 --> 02:01:05.985 So, just different strategies as to what the best. 1980 02:01:07.205 --> 02:01:09.785 Well, you're obliged to consider the ask. 1981 02:01:11.300 --> 02:01:16.320 the non -profit wants and the rationale for us and make a pitch to the board 1982 02:01:16.320 --> 02:01:18.840 on the behalf of that 1983 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:23.940 non -profit for for money if they need it i mean that's again that's part of 1984 02:01:23.940 --> 02:01:24.320 our job 1985 02:01:26.700 --> 02:01:30.400 i guess i'm asking everyone's going to be asking you for money and a lot of it 1986 02:01:30.400 --> 02:01:35.460 because we all need it so what what's your priorities what do you think is 1987 02:01:35.460 --> 02:01:36.040 the biggest 1988 02:01:36.040 --> 02:01:38.020 needs in the community well 1989 02:01:40.414 --> 02:01:45.774 Let me see. Let me read. Let me hear the ask first. I 1990 02:01:45.774 --> 02:01:50.814 don't know what you're asking money for right now. Wait until I get the 1991 02:01:50.814 --> 02:01:55.974 job. And then ask. Tell me what the money is for. And the 1992 02:01:55.974 --> 02:01:59.514 rationale and how I can make the pitch on your behalf for it. 1993 02:02:02.674 --> 02:02:06.794 I think it's a really interesting question because you're right. There is. 1994 02:02:07.449 --> 02:02:12.949 Like, there's other monies, but in order to access the other monies, 1995 02:02:12.949 --> 02:02:15.249 sometimes you have to go other routes. 1996 02:02:15.569 --> 02:02:20.629 It's not just, oh, yes, I approve this, we approve this thing. 1997 02:02:21.029 --> 02:02:26.109 So I think it would be really important for myself, if I were 1998 02:02:26.109 --> 02:02:31.309 the director, to facilitate that kind of stuff for 1999 02:02:31.309 --> 02:02:32.849 a lot of the local nonprofits. 2000 02:02:33.209 --> 02:02:34.469 Because you're right. 2001 02:02:34.469 --> 02:02:35.449 All of it. 2002 02:02:35.523 --> 02:02:40.603 the nonprofits that I know of are struggling. And it's 2003 02:02:40.603 --> 02:02:42.563 just been a really challenging time 2004 02:02:42.563 --> 02:02:47.583 to get people engaged in the community. And I'm not sure what 2005 02:02:47.583 --> 02:02:51.683 the solution is to, I guess, 2006 02:02:52.143 --> 02:02:57.643 getting people more excited about it, outside of having people actually 2007 02:02:57.643 --> 02:03:00.743 come out and see 2008 02:03:00.743 --> 02:03:02.463 what a lot of the nonprofits do. 2009 02:03:03.598 --> 02:03:08.818 of the times people we all sit in our house and do our things and we 2010 02:03:08.818 --> 02:03:10.198 don't even really know a lot 2011 02:03:10.198 --> 02:03:14.538 of the time what's going on in the community and then you go end up at a pancake breakfast 2012 02:03:14.538 --> 02:03:19.578 for example and you realize that it was actually super fun and you're glad that you went 2013 02:03:19.578 --> 02:03:19.798 and 2014 02:03:19.798 --> 02:03:24.918 volunteered at that thing but again it's really hard to communicate that 2015 02:03:24.918 --> 02:03:26.438 to people i'm not exactly 2016 02:03:26.438 --> 02:03:30.878 sure that i have a great plan but i do know that i would be super supportive 2017 02:03:31.672 --> 02:03:34.312 of trying to get, I think that's what builds a community, 2018 02:03:34.792 --> 02:03:39.192 is having more people part of those type of community events. 2019 02:03:39.392 --> 02:03:43.212 And it does make me sad that there isn't that many people 2020 02:03:43.212 --> 02:03:45.312 that are interested in participating. 2021 02:03:46.172 --> 02:03:47.632 But we're getting a watershed. 2022 02:03:48.192 --> 02:03:49.192 So we're going to party. 2023 02:03:52.672 --> 02:03:53.252 Awesome. 2024 02:03:53.852 --> 02:03:55.272 Okay, anything else? 2025 02:03:55.512 --> 02:03:57.192 Are we, yes, go ahead. 2026 02:03:57.392 --> 02:03:59.672 I, our Silver Creek Park. 2027 02:03:59.747 --> 02:04:04.847 since it got donated to the CSRD, has gone too. 2028 02:04:08.267 --> 02:04:11.027 And there's a substantial wage. 2029 02:04:11.947 --> 02:04:17.207 The park lady does not, comes out with high heel 2030 02:04:17.207 --> 02:04:17.507 shoes, 2031 02:04:17.727 --> 02:04:18.847 can't even walk in the park. 2032 02:04:18.987 --> 02:04:20.287 I can't walk in the park. 2033 02:04:21.267 --> 02:04:23.947 It's the worst fire hazard in the valley, 2034 02:04:24.667 --> 02:04:27.587 and the CSRD has a different vision than the community. 2035 02:04:29.501 --> 02:04:32.501 And I just was very disappointed with how it turned. 2036 02:04:32.781 --> 02:04:38.101 So that guy that talked about Mallory Ridge, be careful with the CSRD, because it's 2037 02:04:38.101 --> 02:04:38.301 gone. 2038 02:04:39.601 --> 02:04:41.261 So it needs to be better managed. 2039 02:04:41.721 --> 02:04:44.861 You got a caretaker managing it, paying a high wage. 2040 02:04:45.041 --> 02:04:51.361 And it's the biggest fire hazard, the highest woody debris, unusable. 2041 02:04:52.921 --> 02:04:53.881 Virtually unusable. 2042 02:04:54.081 --> 02:04:55.821 Why are we paying taxes for something we can't use? 2043 02:04:55.896 --> 02:04:58.236 and paying a guy's salary for something we can't use. 2044 02:04:58.756 --> 02:05:03.016 And I talked to the park's lady, and she said, this is our vision. 2045 02:05:03.976 --> 02:05:07.136 You can't come here, you can't test it, you can't clean up, you can't do nothing. 2046 02:05:07.476 --> 02:05:10.996 The trees are dying, they've got bugs in them, they're killing the neighborhood trees. 2047 02:05:12.756 --> 02:05:16.896 It used to be the communities, and since the CSRD took over, it's just been... 2048 02:05:16.896 --> 02:05:18.956 And nobody even cares about it. 2049 02:05:19.236 --> 02:05:21.356 What do you think needs to be done in there? 2050 02:05:22.236 --> 02:05:23.896 They're preaching fire, or... 2051 02:05:23.970 --> 02:05:29.710 fire mitigation it's the most ingrown um the 2052 02:05:29.710 --> 02:05:35.190 trees are dead it's a hazard like 2053 02:05:35.190 --> 02:05:36.250 the trees are all dead 2054 02:05:38.390 --> 02:05:43.410 and and they they bring specials that list in that 2055 02:05:43.410 --> 02:05:46.270 the cost is 10 times higher than 2056 02:05:48.710 --> 02:05:49.390 uh 2057 02:05:52.045 --> 02:05:57.145 is is such a broad term you've got stanley park you've got wellsbury 2058 02:05:57.145 --> 02:05:57.545 park 2059 02:05:59.625 --> 02:06:04.745 they should be given words wellsbury park should be left alone nobody 2060 02:06:04.745 --> 02:06:06.925 lives there it burns it 2061 02:06:06.925 --> 02:06:11.945 guns its natural force fight cycle jasper you 2062 02:06:11.945 --> 02:06:14.085 don't build a city in the middle of a park 2063 02:06:14.085 --> 02:06:19.365 if you can't manage the force same thing you call it a park and 2064 02:06:19.365 --> 02:06:19.985 then you say well 2065 02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:22.659 you can't cut snags, you can't do this, you can't do that. 2066 02:06:22.899 --> 02:06:23.799 It's got to burn. 2067 02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:27.799 It has to burn or it has to be cleaned up in matters. 2068 02:06:28.239 --> 02:06:30.079 There's only two solutions. 2069 02:06:30.799 --> 02:06:35.019 So, and like Bill says, they make it apart. 2070 02:06:35.159 --> 02:06:37.219 Oh, well, we can't cut trees, we can't do this. 2071 02:06:37.439 --> 02:06:42.499 When we log, we can't go into a place without cutting 2072 02:06:42.499 --> 02:06:44.879 all the snags down before we even start. 2073 02:06:45.499 --> 02:06:48.119 You go for a hike through a park, there are snags. 2074 02:06:48.194 --> 02:06:53.634 everywhere and all that down fuel 2075 02:06:53.634 --> 02:06:57.734 is gonna that's what causes our fires so you can have a 2076 02:06:57.734 --> 02:07:02.994 park that's cleaned up and serene and hiking trails and everything you've 2077 02:07:02.994 --> 02:07:03.894 got to manage it 2078 02:07:03.894 --> 02:07:08.954 or you've got to fence it off and let nobody in there but the animals and let it 2079 02:07:08.954 --> 02:07:09.714 burn on its own 2080 02:07:09.714 --> 02:07:14.334 so if they need them they need to come together on one part 2081 02:07:16.268 --> 02:07:21.748 I don't know, but it was donated by locals that went to the Silver Creek community, 2082 02:07:21.988 --> 02:07:24.908 and they didn't have it as soon as the CSRD took over. 2083 02:07:25.748 --> 02:07:30.008 That's the one that's right beside the fireball. So it's a fairly small park. 2084 02:07:31.428 --> 02:07:36.508 Back in the day, we cleaned it up. The locals just cleaned it up. It was a park that you could 2085 02:07:36.508 --> 02:07:36.788 use. 2086 02:07:37.148 --> 02:07:42.788 Now it's a park that's just a jungle. But you can't even... It's 2087 02:07:42.788 --> 02:07:44.268 the biggest hazard in... 2088 02:07:44.343 --> 02:07:49.543 Valley. And like their view 2089 02:07:49.543 --> 02:07:53.023 of it is different than the community's view of how it's managed. 2090 02:07:53.483 --> 02:07:58.963 Well I actually brought this up because like it's atrocious and so is that concession stand 2091 02:07:58.963 --> 02:08:04.183 that we use when we do events there like it's it needs a total 2092 02:08:04.183 --> 02:08:06.203 remodel and well that's like good 2093 02:08:06.203 --> 02:08:11.403 but like across like that's that's that's no man's hand. 2094 02:08:12.417 --> 02:08:17.497 nothing's been done over there. There's houses and trees on top of them, picnic tables. 2095 02:08:17.897 --> 02:08:20.697 It's so thick, I'm surprised it hasn't burned out. 2096 02:08:20.957 --> 02:08:26.117 Yeah, that's what we're saying. But the other side too, there's nothing 2097 02:08:26.117 --> 02:08:29.697 there. It's ridiculous. I don't consider it a park. 2098 02:08:29.857 --> 02:08:34.957 I did bring this up, no. There is a good budget. It's person's care 2099 02:08:34.957 --> 02:08:35.277 taken. 2100 02:08:35.277 --> 02:08:39.557 Sorry. When the community... 2101 02:08:40.492 --> 02:08:45.572 own that part. Own that part. We kept it clean. We used 2102 02:08:45.572 --> 02:08:48.352 both sides of the road and it was 2103 02:08:48.352 --> 02:08:53.592 clean. The CSRB took it over and then you have to 2104 02:08:53.592 --> 02:08:58.832 apply to use it. We used to have someone 2105 02:08:58.832 --> 02:09:03.892 that knew how to fall trees. They would come in and fall on their trees. We cut 2106 02:09:03.892 --> 02:09:04.312 them up. 2107 02:09:04.452 --> 02:09:08.072 Those that used wood, they got to take the wood home. 2108 02:09:08.566 --> 02:09:13.766 cleaned up all the limbs, we cleaned it up. But when the CSRD took over, 2109 02:09:14.086 --> 02:09:16.166 you had to have 2110 02:09:16.166 --> 02:09:21.566 a father's license. You had to make sure you had a license. And 2111 02:09:21.566 --> 02:09:23.266 then they didn't use the 2112 02:09:23.266 --> 02:09:28.406 people in our area for that. They got someone from Polona. They paid 2113 02:09:28.406 --> 02:09:29.846 them a big price. He 2114 02:09:29.846 --> 02:09:35.166 came in and fell a couple of trees and walked away. We still had to cut it up, clean 2115 02:09:35.166 --> 02:09:35.386 up 2116 02:09:35.386 --> 02:09:35.886 the limbs. 2117 02:09:36.641 --> 02:09:41.861 If you're going to pay someone from outside this area, then make them do 2118 02:09:41.861 --> 02:09:47.081 the job, but CSRD did not do that, and they don't listen 2119 02:09:47.081 --> 02:09:51.341 to the ones that were here, and now they don't do anything as the trees are dying. 2120 02:09:51.661 --> 02:09:57.181 Well, I actually don't think that anyone is monitoring the current contractor. 2121 02:10:00.981 --> 02:10:04.641 I know, but I actually brought... 2122 02:10:04.715 --> 02:10:09.755 up at the Parks and Recreation meeting that was going around and I don't think, 2123 02:10:09.815 --> 02:10:10.595 like I've read that 2124 02:10:10.595 --> 02:10:14.495 contract and I don't think half of those things are getting done and I think that's why the park 2125 02:10:14.495 --> 02:10:19.675 looks like it does. So this is a big topic that one of you needs 2126 02:10:19.675 --> 02:10:20.295 to address. 2127 02:10:21.235 --> 02:10:26.275 Yeah I'm sure that everyone here is aware that there was the CSRD initiated some meetings earlier 2128 02:10:26.275 --> 02:10:31.415 this year. And they are very invested in 2129 02:10:31.415 --> 02:10:32.715 changing how their health 2130 02:10:32.790 --> 02:10:37.230 handling their park system right now, and they asked for a lot of ideas and a lot of public feedback. 2131 02:10:37.550 --> 02:10:42.570 They did say the report would be out by now, but all 2132 02:10:42.570 --> 02:10:45.330 of that was definitely brought up, so it's all on their radar. 2133 02:10:45.650 --> 02:10:48.250 And the police sergeant did not know how bad it was. 2134 02:10:48.350 --> 02:10:52.890 They were getting a completely different story from someone else. 2135 02:10:56.130 --> 02:10:57.890 What message do you certainly know? 2136 02:11:02.984 --> 02:11:05.804 They don't seem to know anything about our area. 2137 02:11:06.484 --> 02:11:08.964 I really don't think they do, honestly. 2138 02:11:09.424 --> 02:11:10.564 I really don't. 2139 02:11:11.844 --> 02:11:16.484 I actually want to address that because that's one of the big issues I see, 2140 02:11:16.504 --> 02:11:22.104 that the board should be pushing, is better communication both ways, 2141 02:11:22.264 --> 02:11:27.584 so that you know what they're doing and they know what your issues 2142 02:11:27.584 --> 02:11:27.964 are. 2143 02:11:28.939 --> 02:11:34.059 see that and to me that's like 2144 02:11:34.059 --> 02:11:39.299 there's so much lost productivity because nobody 2145 02:11:39.299 --> 02:11:40.799 knows what's 2146 02:11:40.799 --> 02:11:45.859 going on and there needs to be more transparency you 2147 02:11:45.859 --> 02:11:47.619 guys should be able to look in there and say 2148 02:11:47.619 --> 02:11:52.439 okay what is your vision and I disagree with this and here's my feedback and then they get 2149 02:11:52.439 --> 02:11:56.879 the feedback and they tell you what they think about that feedback we're going to address 2150 02:11:57.013 --> 02:12:00.493 this, we're going to explore it and write a report, and that report's going to come 2151 02:12:00.493 --> 02:12:05.753 out, like, all this stuff, you have to dig so much to find 2152 02:12:05.753 --> 02:12:07.173 anything, and usually the 2153 02:12:07.173 --> 02:12:12.213 anything is, oh, we didn't know about that, you know, so I really 2154 02:12:12.213 --> 02:12:13.113 think, and that's a 2155 02:12:13.113 --> 02:12:18.633 board issue, to direct the, I think a lot of people get mixed up in what the administration 2156 02:12:18.633 --> 02:12:23.813 is, versus what the board is, and the administration and the board are two different 2157 02:12:23.813 --> 02:12:24.613 things, so 2158 02:12:25.088 --> 02:12:29.008 You're not Parks and Recreation, you know, and... 2159 02:12:29.008 --> 02:12:33.588 No, but our director should be communicating with staff about our issues here. 2160 02:12:33.988 --> 02:12:36.528 And staff should be coming out and addressing our issues. 2161 02:12:36.788 --> 02:12:39.368 And if they came out there, they'd look at this park and go, 2162 02:12:39.608 --> 02:12:42.568 what is going on here? This has been totally neglected. 2163 02:12:42.728 --> 02:12:44.588 Aren't we paying somebody to do this? 2164 02:12:44.728 --> 02:12:46.168 You know, why are these things not done? 2165 02:12:46.388 --> 02:12:49.668 Like, there's no oversight on this park, I can tell you that right now. 2166 02:12:50.408 --> 02:12:53.088 But that's a very issue to deal with the... 2167 02:12:53.162 --> 02:12:58.202 governance that says here needs to be oversight right so that's what the board 2168 02:12:58.202 --> 02:13:00.262 can do is to tell 2169 02:13:00.262 --> 02:13:05.842 the staff you need to change the way you are doing things yeah right 2170 02:13:05.842 --> 02:13:08.462 yeah it took me years 2171 02:13:08.462 --> 02:13:13.502 to figure out what that relationship is it's not always easy to understand 2172 02:13:13.502 --> 02:13:14.942 what's your job 2173 02:13:14.942 --> 02:13:19.262 versus what's their job that's true well everybody just said that's not my job 2174 02:13:29.017 --> 02:13:33.117 Okay, well, if that's it, it's almost 9.30, so you guys have been awesome. 2175 02:13:33.597 --> 02:13:35.197 Thank you so much.